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Beware of the miopia and gate keeping displayed on this thread. There will be less SWE and DevOps and related jobs available in the next 24 months. Period. Be

Beware of the miopia and gate keeping displayed on this thread. There will be less SWE and DevOps and related jobs available in the next 24 months. Period. Become hyper-aware of how a business measure your value as a SWE. How? Ask pointed, uncomfortable questions that force the people paying you to think and be transparent. Stay on the cutting edge of how to increase your output and quality using AI. Ie: how long does it take for a new joiner to produce code? How do you cut that time down by 10x using “AI”?

irunmyownemail 2y ago
"Stay on the cutting edge of how to increase your output and quality using AI." If AI (there is no AI, it's ML Machine Learning) were truly as good as the true believers want to see it as; then it could be useful. It isn't.
shiveenp 2y ago
Explain to me how you think a sophisticated random text generator will take all jobs. Especially since it’s trained on existing corpus of data on the internet created by? Guess who, existing engineers. I’m genuinely curious on the backing of these “trust me bro” style statements.
- manesioz 2y ago
  If you think that state-of-the-art LLMs are "random text generators" I don't know what to say to you.
zahlman 2y ago
>Become hyper-aware of how a business measure your value as a SWE. How? Ask pointed, uncomfortable questions that force the people paying you to think and be transparent. Why would you want to increase the odds of them noticing your job is no longer necessary?
aprilthird2021 2y ago
> There will be less SWE and DevOps and related jobs available in the next 24 months. Period. I wish an AI could revisit this comment 2 years later and post the stats to see if you're right.
- tumetab1 2y ago
  My personal estimation is that this will be noticeable in the first six months of 2025 in the USA big tech organizations. I think this is actually already in motion in board meetings, I'm pretty sure executives are discussing something like "if we spend Z$ on AI tools, can we avoid hiring how many engineers?"
  - aprilthird2021 2y ago
    Okay, I'll come back in 6 months and we can assess this honestly. The government projects this job type will grow 18% in the next decade: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/software-developers.htm#tab-6 https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/...

irunmyownemail 2y ago

"Stay on the cutting edge of how to increase your output and quality using AI." If AI (there is no AI, it's ML Machine Learning) were truly as good as the true believers want to see it as; then it could be useful. It isn't.

shiveenp 2y ago

Explain to me how you think a sophisticated random text generator will take all jobs. Especially since it’s trained on existing corpus of data on the internet created by? Guess who, existing engineers. I’m genuinely curious on the backing of these “trust me bro” style statements.

manesioz 2y ago
If you think that state-of-the-art LLMs are "random text generators" I don't know what to say to you.

zahlman 2y ago

>Become hyper-aware of how a business measure your value as a SWE. How? Ask pointed, uncomfortable questions that force the people paying you to think and be transparent. Why would you want to increase the odds of them noticing your job is no longer necessary?

aprilthird2021 2y ago

> There will be less SWE and DevOps and related jobs available in the next 24 months. Period. I wish an AI could revisit this comment 2 years later and post the stats to see if you're right.

tumetab1 2y ago
My personal estimation is that this will be noticeable in the first six months of 2025 in the USA big tech organizations. I think this is actually already in motion in board meetings, I'm pretty sure executives are discussing something like "if we spend Z$ on AI tools, can we avoid hiring how many engineers?"
- aprilthird2021 2y ago
  Okay, I'll come back in 6 months and we can assess this honestly. The government projects this job type will grow 18% in the next decade: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/software-developers.htm#tab-6 https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/...