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our only hope for verifying truth in the future is that state officials give their speeches while doing kick flips and frontside 360s.

by visnup 2y ago

markus_zhang 2y ago
Maybe they will do more in person talks, I guess. Back to the old times.
- notthatofftopic 2y ago
  Until the AI can master the art of creating "footage of someone's phone if they were in the crowd of the speech in this other video", then we can't even trust that.
stabbles 2y ago
sadly it's likely that video gen models will master this ability faster than state officials
- mikepurvis 2y ago
  Remember when the iPhone came out and BlackBerry smugly advertised that their products were “tools not toys”? I remember saying to someone at the time that I was pretty sure iPhone was going to get secure corporate email and device management faster than BlackBerry was going to get an approachable UI, decent camera, or app ecosystem.
throw4321 2y ago
What officials actually say doesn't make a difference anymore. People do not get bamboozled because of lack of facts. People who get bamboozled are past facts.
- forgingahead 2y ago
  Off topic from the video AI thread, but to elaborate on your point: people believe what they want, based on what they have been primed to believe from mass media. This is mainly the normal TV and paper news, filtered through institutions like government proclamations, schools, and now supercharged by social media. This is why the "narrative" exists, and news media does the consensus messaging of what you should believe (and why they hate X and other freer media sources). By the time the politician says it, you've been soaking in it for weeks or months, if not longer. That just confirms the bias that has been implanted in you.
  - Eisenstein 2y ago
    What are you talking about? News media LOVE twitter/X, it is where they get all their stories from and journalists are notoriously addicted to it, to their detriment.
  - Kelteseth 2y ago
    > and why they hate X and other freer media sources I left X precisely because it was flooded with Russian propaganda/misinformation.
    - ImHereToVote 2y ago
      Such as?
      - Kelteseth 2y ago
        Nonsense like: - People were 'forced' into vaccinations - Covid 19 was a testing ground for the next global pandemic so that "they" can control us - Climate change is a hoax/Renewables are our doom - Everything our government does is to create a totalitarian state next. - Putin is actually the victim, it is all NATO fault and their imperialism
        ImHereToVote 2y ago
        Why is it impossible for these opinions to be homegrown? Would people be a hivemind without Putin?

our only hope for verifying truth in the future is that state officials give their speeches while doing kick flips and frontside 360s.

by visnup 2y ago

our only hope for verifying truth in the future is that state officials give their speeches while doing kick flips and frontside 360s.

markus_zhang 2y ago

Maybe they will do more in person talks, I guess. Back to the old times.

notthatofftopic 2y ago
Until the AI can master the art of creating "footage of someone's phone if they were in the crowd of the speech in this other video", then we can't even trust that.

stabbles 2y ago

sadly it's likely that video gen models will master this ability faster than state officials

mikepurvis 2y ago
Remember when the iPhone came out and BlackBerry smugly advertised that their products were “tools not toys”? I remember saying to someone at the time that I was pretty sure iPhone was going to get secure corporate email and device management faster than BlackBerry was going to get an approachable UI, decent camera, or app ecosystem.

throw4321 2y ago

What officials actually say doesn't make a difference anymore. People do not get bamboozled because of lack of facts. People who get bamboozled are past facts.

forgingahead 2y ago
Off topic from the video AI thread, but to elaborate on your point: people believe what they want, based on what they have been primed to believe from mass media. This is mainly the normal TV and paper news, filtered through institutions like government proclamations, schools, and now supercharged by social media. This is why the "narrative" exists, and news media does the consensus messaging of what you should believe (and why they hate X and other freer media sources). By the time the politician says it, you've been soaking in it for weeks or months, if not longer. That just confirms the bias that has been implanted in you.
- Eisenstein 2y ago
  What are you talking about? News media LOVE twitter/X, it is where they get all their stories from and journalists are notoriously addicted to it, to their detriment.
- Kelteseth 2y ago
  > and why they hate X and other freer media sources I left X precisely because it was flooded with Russian propaganda/misinformation.
  - ImHereToVote 2y ago
    Such as?
    - Kelteseth 2y ago
      Nonsense like: - People were 'forced' into vaccinations - Covid 19 was a testing ground for the next global pandemic so that "they" can control us - Climate change is a hoax/Renewables are our doom - Everything our government does is to create a totalitarian state next. - Putin is actually the victim, it is all NATO fault and their imperialism
      - ImHereToVote 2y ago
        Why is it impossible for these opinions to be homegrown? Would people be a hivemind without Putin?