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I suspect he means it doesn't get reported in the main stream media. Independent media channels have reported this.

by swiss_steve 2y ago

jimnotgym 2y ago
Cool, do you have a link to any of them?
- UberFly 2y ago
  Maybe it's this: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241018-uk-police-raid-home-of-journalist-exposing-israeli-crimes-and-weaponisation-of-anti-semitism/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241018-uk-police-raid-ho...
  - EpicQuest_246 2y ago
    Yes it was that. Thank you. I couldn't remember the name as it was an unusual name.
    - jimnotgym 2y ago
      Great. It is very troubling that police raided this journalists house. That is rather less sensational than the 'daily' raids you mentioned though, isn't it?
      - EpicQuest_246 2y ago
        I never said "daily raids" on journalists. This is the second time you have put words into my mouth and pretended I said something I did not.
        defrost 2y ago
        To recap, as I understand it your claim is that: > The last time I checked 7 people a day were being prosecuted for speech related offences (I guarantee it is more now). So the claim is that the UK is prosecuting a minimum of some 2,555 speech offenses a year (or as few as 1,820 if it's 7 a day each day of a five day working week in a year with 52 working weeks).
        EpicQuest_246 2y ago
        Yes. I remember seeing the statistic a number of years ago. I cannot find the source easily. The last time I checked was ~2018. I never claimed "daily raids on journalists". I did say "regularly", which is incorrect, I should have said "an alarming number of". But that if people are going to hold me up on that they are nitpicking.
        defrost 2y ago
        Try: https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/cps-data-summary-quarter-4-2023-2024 https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/cps-data-summary-quarter-... and: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/criminal-court-statistics-quarterly-july-to-september-2024/criminal-court-statistics-quarterly-july-to-september-2024 https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/criminal-court-stat... In the UK there were 11,767 prosecutions (referred by police, whether or not a conviction was found) in the past year flagged as "Hate Crime" (the category that a speech prosecution would fall under?) Of those many were robbery, homicide, assault, etc .. not simply "speech". Here is a link to an online sevice to mount by URL those spreadsheets onine (showing the UK Prosecution Crime Type Data Tables Q4 23-24) https://products.aspose.app/cells/viewer/view?FolderName=0f8d6527-18fa-4b10-a8dd-e1b38683b2f4&FileName=fogdbyti.4ho.html&Uid=82c57554-f4b9-4028-ab0d-f7952357a388.xlsx https://products.aspose.app/cells/viewer/view?FolderName=0f8... "an alarming number of" is entirely relative to the population size and general referral levels, at seems unlikely that just pure "speech" alone and no other action forms 20% of the Hate Crime flagged prosecutions - that would take some legwork to verify I suspect.
        EpicQuest_246 2y ago
        When I said “alarming number of” I was specifically referring to journalists being harassed by the UK state. I am aware of at least 3 or 4 this year. Non-speech related offences I don’t care about in relation to this topic. I believe the 3000 a year number was banded about for speech offences. I do think it is likely that this number is roughly correct as it matches up with what I previously heard. I btw believe one person being prosecuted for speech related offences is too many. IMO it shouldn’t happen at all. Moreover I am quite tired of people telling me it isn’t happening after I can distinctly remember a large number of cases over the years where this does happen.

I suspect he means it doesn't get reported in the main stream media. Independent media channels have reported this.

jimnotgym 2y ago

Cool, do you have a link to any of them?

UberFly 2y ago
Maybe it's this: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241018-uk-police-raid-home-of-journalist-exposing-israeli-crimes-and-weaponisation-of-anti-semitism/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241018-uk-police-raid-ho...
- EpicQuest_246 2y ago
  Yes it was that. Thank you. I couldn't remember the name as it was an unusual name.
  - jimnotgym 2y ago
    Great. It is very troubling that police raided this journalists house. That is rather less sensational than the 'daily' raids you mentioned though, isn't it?
    - EpicQuest_246 2y ago
      I never said "daily raids" on journalists. This is the second time you have put words into my mouth and pretended I said something I did not.
      - defrost 2y ago
        To recap, as I understand it your claim is that: > The last time I checked 7 people a day were being prosecuted for speech related offences (I guarantee it is more now). So the claim is that the UK is prosecuting a minimum of some 2,555 speech offenses a year (or as few as 1,820 if it's 7 a day each day of a five day working week in a year with 52 working weeks).
        EpicQuest_246 2y ago
        Yes. I remember seeing the statistic a number of years ago. I cannot find the source easily. The last time I checked was ~2018. I never claimed "daily raids on journalists". I did say "regularly", which is incorrect, I should have said "an alarming number of". But that if people are going to hold me up on that they are nitpicking.
        defrost 2y ago
        Try: https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/cps-data-summary-quarter-4-2023-2024 https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/cps-data-summary-quarter-... and: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/criminal-court-statistics-quarterly-july-to-september-2024/criminal-court-statistics-quarterly-july-to-september-2024 https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/criminal-court-stat... In the UK there were 11,767 prosecutions (referred by police, whether or not a conviction was found) in the past year flagged as "Hate Crime" (the category that a speech prosecution would fall under?) Of those many were robbery, homicide, assault, etc .. not simply "speech". Here is a link to an online sevice to mount by URL those spreadsheets onine (showing the UK Prosecution Crime Type Data Tables Q4 23-24) https://products.aspose.app/cells/viewer/view?FolderName=0f8d6527-18fa-4b10-a8dd-e1b38683b2f4&FileName=fogdbyti.4ho.html&Uid=82c57554-f4b9-4028-ab0d-f7952357a388.xlsx https://products.aspose.app/cells/viewer/view?FolderName=0f8... "an alarming number of" is entirely relative to the population size and general referral levels, at seems unlikely that just pure "speech" alone and no other action forms 20% of the Hate Crime flagged prosecutions - that would take some legwork to verify I suspect.
        EpicQuest_246 2y ago
        When I said “alarming number of” I was specifically referring to journalists being harassed by the UK state. I am aware of at least 3 or 4 this year. Non-speech related offences I don’t care about in relation to this topic. I believe the 3000 a year number was banded about for speech offences. I do think it is likely that this number is roughly correct as it matches up with what I previously heard. I btw believe one person being prosecuted for speech related offences is too many. IMO it shouldn’t happen at all. Moreover I am quite tired of people telling me it isn’t happening after I can distinctly remember a large number of cases over the years where this does happen.