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I'm focusing on the bike part here because, as a bike geek, I could draw one from memory that's correct in all details. But to a non-bikie that's more difficul
by MarkusWandel 2y ago
I'm focusing on the bike part here because, as a bike geek, I could draw one from memory that's correct in all details. But to a non-bikie that's more difficult than you'd think. I can't find the picture gallery right now but an article about it, which links another article:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240419001426/https://www.wired.com/2016/04/can-draw-bikes-memory-definitely-cant/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240419001426/https://www.wired...
So the fact that the AI models screw this up so badly is understandable. Sure, they screw up in ways that humans wouldn't, such as the beak backwards in one of the pictures (pointy end toward the bird!) because they don't know or care about something every human would know: What a beak is for and what it looks like in general. Or for that matter the biodynamics of how a pelican's long, spindly legs could, in fact, work a pair pedals. But ask me to draw a pelican from memory, and have a good laugh (if you're better at it than me) because to me, they're just kind of a peripheral vision, pink abstraction, not something I focus on understanding. And that's what they are to the AI model too.
- parpfish 2y ago> ... they're just kind of a peripheral vision, pink abstraction, not something I focus on understanding are there pink pelicans, or are you thinking of flamingoes?
- MarkusWandel 2y agoHa, see, even missed that part! Honestly.
- codetrotter 2y agoYou had me wondering at > a pelican's long, spindly legs and when you then also described it as pink, it started to make sense and I too understood that you must be thinking of flamingos :^)
- larubbio 2y agoThis is the the artist you are thinking of. https://www.gianlucagimini.it/portfolio-item/velocipedia/ https://www.gianlucagimini.it/portfolio-item/velocipedia/
- alwa 2y agoThis is incredible. I wonder if anybody has set out to build some of these bikes as sculptures.
- Ylpertnodi 2y ago>as a bike geek, I could draw one from memory that's correct in all details. Mo link, sorry, but on youtube, GCN asked pro riders to draw a bicycle...none could.
- MarkusWandel 2y agoWell, as a bike geek - who wrenches on them, changes old bikes to different configurations etc - I can visualize every part because I've dealt with all of them. I can tell you, for example, that ancient Shimano downtube shifters are held in place by an M4.5 bolt. M4.5? Try to find something to fit that at your local hardware store (when changing said bike to handlebar-mounted shifters). Or which way the opposite sides of a BSA bottom bracket are threaded (from memory! Which side has the backwards threads?) Or the whole stack of bits and pieces that make up a headset (both threaded and threadless). Whereas a pro rider can probably tell you all about the biomechanics of how to optimally interact with the bike, the right foods to eat and how much to sleep and when. But the actual wrenching around with them? That's the pro mechanic's job.
- olddustytrail 2y agoWhy don't you share some of your videos where you draw these bikes?
- bsammon 2y agoI'd have to agree here that success at this drawing test/challenge is strongly correlated with experience repairing/maintaining (one or more) bicycles, a lot more than it is correlated with riding them. I also suspect it strongly correlates with knowing the term "diamond-frame". In addition to bicycle-repairers probably knowing the term, it's also used among people who like/know other frame styles--in my case recumbent bicycles.
- stevage 2y agoHa, I'm pretty into bikes, to the point where at least I understand the questions here but the most complex things I have ever done were changing a normal BB and set of cranks, and replacing some STI cables.