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Everything can fit in group 3, but manufacturers want to steal your data so they try to pretend otherwise.

alamortsubite 2y ago
You're giving them the benefit of the doubt here. In my experience, not only are they greedy, but they're also inept and lazy.
- nomel 2y ago
  To steel man a bit, they're also trying to make things as easy as possible for the generic public that they want to buy their device, who doesn't know what a hub is, and definitely doesn't want to learn, to turn on a lightbulb.
  - jillyboel 2y ago
    Sure, nothing is stopping them from offering both.
    - nomel 2y ago
      The fact that the engineering effort would be diverted to something that targets a small fraction of a percent of their customer base is a perfectly valid reason to not do it, especially when that engineering effort could be put towards making the product better for the other 99.x% of their customers.
      - jillyboel 2y ago
        Except it almost guarantees the product will become useless in a few years, which makes it worthless now.
ahaucnx 2y ago
Not all manufacturers. At AirGradient, all our air quality monitors can completely run local. Our official firmware is on GitHub and people could even flash their own (adjusted) version. We believe this is how IoT devices should be and are very vocal about it. So I think there are a few manufacturers that think different.
- J_Shelby_J 2y ago
  Does air gradient have an app or a nice way to view the data on mobile? Netatmo has a nice app and widgets, but poor integration.
- biotinker 2y ago
  And this is exactly why I like to buy AirGradient hardware. Your CO2 sensors are some of the best I've found for the price point, and I love your outdoor monitor as well. That said; I have started moving towards using SEN5x for a lot of my air monitoring. I've noticed the SHT3x temp sensors pretty consistently flake out after 2-3 years, and the footprint of your current DIY kit is rather larger. Would you consider an updated version with the SEN6x once it comes out, with perhaps an ESP32c3, rather than the 8266?
  - ahaucnx 2y ago
    Actually since a year or so, we use the ESP32-C3 and the SHT40. You can check our website for the new model [1]. [1] https://www.airgradient.com/documentation/ https://www.airgradient.com/documentation/
- hn_user2 2y ago
  If those devices ran off POE they would be divine. Trying to keep walls looking clean in our custom build and usb power is a drag.
  - 05 2y ago
    The keywords you're looking for are 'active PoE splitter'.

You're giving them the benefit of the doubt here. In my experience, not only are they greedy, but they're also inept and lazy.

nomel 2y ago
To steel man a bit, they're also trying to make things as easy as possible for the generic public that they want to buy their device, who doesn't know what a hub is, and definitely doesn't want to learn, to turn on a lightbulb.
- jillyboel 2y ago
  Sure, nothing is stopping them from offering both.
  - nomel 2y ago
    The fact that the engineering effort would be diverted to something that targets a small fraction of a percent of their customer base is a perfectly valid reason to not do it, especially when that engineering effort could be put towards making the product better for the other 99.x% of their customers.
    - jillyboel 2y ago
      Except it almost guarantees the product will become useless in a few years, which makes it worthless now.

ahaucnx 2y ago

Not all manufacturers. At AirGradient, all our air quality monitors can completely run local. Our official firmware is on GitHub and people could even flash their own (adjusted) version. We believe this is how IoT devices should be and are very vocal about it. So I think there are a few manufacturers that think different.

J_Shelby_J 2y ago
Does air gradient have an app or a nice way to view the data on mobile? Netatmo has a nice app and widgets, but poor integration.
biotinker 2y ago
And this is exactly why I like to buy AirGradient hardware. Your CO2 sensors are some of the best I've found for the price point, and I love your outdoor monitor as well. That said; I have started moving towards using SEN5x for a lot of my air monitoring. I've noticed the SHT3x temp sensors pretty consistently flake out after 2-3 years, and the footprint of your current DIY kit is rather larger. Would you consider an updated version with the SEN6x once it comes out, with perhaps an ESP32c3, rather than the 8266?
- ahaucnx 2y ago
  Actually since a year or so, we use the ESP32-C3 and the SHT40. You can check our website for the new model [1]. [1] https://www.airgradient.com/documentation/ https://www.airgradient.com/documentation/
hn_user2 2y ago
If those devices ran off POE they would be divine. Trying to keep walls looking clean in our custom build and usb power is a drag.
- 05 2y ago
  The keywords you're looking for are 'active PoE splitter'.