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To Log into WordPress, You Now Have to Agree Pineapple on Pizza Is Good
- ddmf 2y agoFor some reason - maybe it's a nostalgia hit - a deep pan from pizza hut with pineapple, pepperoni, jalapeno, and chicken just hits that right spot for me.
- xg15 2y agoRare case where the actual issue is even more sad and ridiculous than the headline.
- misnome 2y agoSee how long this lasts, got flagged [dead] immediately several times in the new queue, for some reason.
- minimaxir 2y ago404media.co is a shadowbanned domain on HN due to paywalls, meaning any new submission from the domain will automatically be killed. https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=404media.co https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=404media.co (w/ showdead on) Since this post doesn't have a paywall and it's good/newsworthy, I vouched for it.
- jtbayly 2y agoA substantial portion of the links on this site have paywalls. If that’s why this domain is shadowbanned, why isn’t NYT?
- gjsman-1000 2y ago[flagged]
- mrguyorama 2y agoThis is pretty laughable. HN has had it's quirks and completely hidden behavior pretty much since the beginning. For example: YC alums can see other YC alums, but none of us plebs are allowed to see their special group. You can never know if you are arguing against a few individuals or a bunch of people with very aligned interests.
- tptacek 2y agoPaywalls are fine, so long as there is a reliable workaround that can be posted to the thread.
- quintin 2y agoAre you a HN admin/dev/mod now?
- kotaKat 2y agoNo, anyone can technically vouch dead posts with 31 karma or higher. Vouching is the inverse of a flag. https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented/blob/master/README.md#flaggingvouching https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented/blob/m...
- echoangle 2y agoI think the question was due to the claim that the domain is shadowbanned, not the vouching.
- minimaxir 2y agoNo. Although I may not have the exact reason the domain was banned, I've been around long enough to observe that everytime a 404media.co article is posted and gets traction, the comments unanimously complain about the paywall and it gets flagkilled. Vouching is intended as a corrective check on things that shouldn't be automatically killed.
- echoangle 2y agoSo it’s not shadowbanned in the sense that the server sees the domain and automatically flags the post, but users manually flag it?
- coldpie 2y ago> for some reason There's not really much news here, I think. It's just gossiping at Matt's public meltdown, which, eh.
- minimaxir 2y agoReddit discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/comments/1hf98pj/this_is_getting_out_hand/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/comments/1hf98pj/this_is_...
- yodon 2y agoBest comment I saw in that thread: > Would be comedy for the EU to go after WP for only having one App Store. I mean plugin store.
- ablation 2y agoMatt continues to make me feel like I made a good choice exiting the WP ecosystem last month.
- pabs3 2y agoWhat did you switch to?
- ablation 2y agoKirby. Bit of a change but I’m enjoying using it so much more. Feels like a return to my rose-tinted “good old days”.
- pabs3 2y agoThe license doesn't look very open. https://github.com/getkirby/kirby/blob/main/LICENSE.md https://github.com/getkirby/kirby/blob/main/LICENSE.md
- omeid2 2y agoThere is at least 1 LGPL dependency in there which renders the license void. If you include LGPL, your software is LGPL.
- sionisrecur 2y agoThat would be the regular GPL. The "Lesser" GPL allows you to use it as long as you release any changes you make to the LGPL'd code (and keeping the LGPL license) and allow users to replace the LGPL'd code, which typically means using it as a shared library.
- epiccoleman 2y agoI've never understood the hatred towards pineapple on pizza. I like it. I can certainly think of much weirder things I've seen on pizza with no public outcry.
- dylan604 2y agoIt's the same kind of polarizing concept as beans in chili.
- vel0city 2y agoI mean there's chili and then there's chili with no beans. Two entirely different concepts.
- Volundr 2y agoTIL there was any controversy there. To me chili has always implied beans.
- dylan604 2y agoAKA how to know someone is not from Texas
- Volundr 2y agoOh, this is a Texas thing? That makes sense, they barbeque wrong too. *ducks*
- vel0city 2y agoBrisket is the thing Texas gets the most right from any BBQ I've had. Everything else...eh. I prefer pulled pork in KC tbh. The Carolinas can get out of here with that vinegar they call BBQ sauce. Source: >30 years living in Texas and traveling most of the South several times.
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- gjsman-1000 2y agoFor context, this is revenge to a court forcing him by injunction to remove the previous version of the checkbox (which required stating you are not affiliated with, or using, WP Engine). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42382829 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42382829
- dylan604 2y agoWhich is just childish because the court doesn't give a damn about this. As long as the court's orders were followed, that's all they have domain over.
- misnome 2y agoI wonder if all these outbursts continue to hurt his case, since it’s making it exceptionally clear that it was all a deliberate attempt. That or he’s trying the reliable old, cancelled-by-the-courts censorship grifting treadmill, to try and use it to spin into into politics (for which I suspect the boat has sailed already).
- dylan604 2y agoAt this point, every time he gets out of bed he is hurting his case
- seanhunter 2y ago...and it's worth noting that trying to take revenge on a court for an unfavourable ruling is one of those things that most rational people would agree is unlikely to end well. We'll see how this one goes.
- kelseyfrog 2y agoI don't get it. I have no qualms lying or otherwise.
- sionisrecur 2y agoYou can change your taste for a while then change your mind. No one can say you are lying. You can't change whether you have/had a connection to wpengine, which was the issue with the previous checkbox.
- Lammy 2y agoPineapple is objectively the best pizza topping because it's one of the only toppings which makes pizza into a fully rounded scientific flavor experience. The five flavors which we can detect are sweet, salty, bitter, sour, and umami (savory). A basic cheese pizza covers two, maybe three of these flavors — salty, umami, and maybe sweet, depending on the sauce used. Pineapple covers three flavors — sweet, sour, and bitter (if it's fresh). This means that pineapple pizza fully features all of the five flavors. What other topping can you say that about? Not pepperoni, nor olives, certainly not mushrooms or sausage. No other pizza topping as perfectly rounds out the flavor profile of pizza as pineapple, especially fresh pineapple, and that is why it's the superior topping.
- ortusdux 2y agoThis is why spicy honey is a great addition to pizza, esp. peperoni.
- mr_mitm 2y agoWho says I want all five flavors? Most dishes I eat and like don't have all of them.
- talldayo 2y agoIn my opinion - I think pineapple compliments every individual component of pizza. The acidity of the fruit cuts through the grease in the cheese and compliments the savory flavor like a wine platter. It goes excellent with a good sauce, and can elevate a can of store-bought marinara with a sort of tropical pico-de-gallo elegance. The bread tastes relatively inert and doesn't interfere with the whole thing. If I just want a savory pizza, I'll probably lean more towards a pepperoni slice. But a Hawaiian option from a place that serves actually good pizza will tempt me on a regular basis. The ham is where they get you, it's typically a bigger issue than the pineapple at most places.
- BigFnTelly 2y agoI've never thought as deeply about my love for pineapple on pizza as you have. Maybe I should grill some young pineapple and throw it on my next pie for that caramelized, charred flavour.
- ninjastar99 2y agoI'm done with Wordpress until Matt is done with Wordpress. Then (and only then) will I consider it for new projects.
- nixosbestos 2y agoYeah. I have a good track record with picking things to bet on the future, and the people involved often color that. I stopped caring about bcachefs after watching Ken's extraordinarily unprofessional, gas-lighting (yes, I know how to use that word properly) behavior on LKML. Similarly, I cannot fathom anyone betting the farm on WordPress right now. It will coast for a while, but this is some childish, unserious behavior.
- brodo 2y agoThis and Elm show the issues of the BDFL management model. Good software projects can die due to a midlife crisis. Let's hope WordPress establishes some form of foundation.
- demosthanos 2y agoWordPress has a foundation. It's just also Matt.
- gjsman-1000 2y agoSure, let's not go into the history of foundations going sideways from the original intention... For good management, no real system is even necessary. For bad management, no system is immune to their incompetence.
- Spivak 2y agoEh, foundation at least keeps business continuity and has the ability to cleanly address a minority of bad actors. Well run foundations (like Debian) can keep chugging along even with stakeholders who bitterly hate each other.
- gjsman-1000 2y agoYou're forgetting the WordPress Foundation exists, with two other co-founders, and allowed itself to get into this mess in the first place without any fight or publicity about Mullenweg's real control. Those two other founders are currently MIA.
- Spivak 2y agoI mean yeah there are failure modes, the WP foundation devolved into a BFDL when other foundation members ghosted and so stopped being a minority of bad actors. Thems the brakes with low participation.
- gr4vityWall 2y agoWhat happened to Elm?
- ggambetta 2y agoMonitoring alert: logins from Italy drop to zero.
- mock-possum 2y agoOkay but pineapple actually is delicious on pizza??
- neilv 2y agoWould be nice if this is the work of a skilled damage control team, who's going to help turn around recent troubles, including by poking fun at themselves. I hope a BDFL isn't going through a rough time while not having to listen to anyone else.
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- pavel_lishin 2y agoI don't think you read the article.
- throw939494 2y ago》 “WordPress is the most used CMS on the web, and we have a responsibility to act like professionals No I read the article. That is why wrote here. My company is also very professional corporation, yet they do "dog jokes".
- 0xbadcafebee 2y agoIf WordPress dies it'll be one of the best things to happen to the web in a decade. People will be forced to use something else, so a product with actual security, and a design from after 2001, can finally get traction. A persistent annoying thing I've had to maintain for years has been WordPress sites. As a Systems Engineer, their design is particularly annoying to support, and the way they are changed and deployed leads to tons of predictable failures. It's possible to turn WordPress into a real, CI/CD driven, ephemeral deploys, with diffed, staged, tested database changes. But for some reason nobody has built that as a canned solution (I did long ago for a previous employer). Fun fact: the reason you get a billion blog results when you try to Google for a recipe, is 1) a WordPress plugin that auto-generates recipe blogs, and 2) a Google Metadata thing in the page for encoding recipes. Google prioritizes all those blogs with the recipe metadata. End result: millions of garbage blogs churned out via WP, and nothing but garbage results. Not really sure why Google continues to prioritize garbage.
- perihelions 2y ago- "a judge ordered Mullenweg to remove a controversial login checkbox from WordPress.org that required users to pledge that they were not affiliated with WP Engine before logging in" So, in short, he's mad at the court for ordering him to do something, and (while the lawsuit is still running!) is basically mocking the court order, and trolling the judge and plaintiff. This guy has an attorney somewhere, and that attorney has this guy for a client. That poor attorney.
- gjsman-1000 2y ago> That poor attorney. He won't be a poor attorney after milking Matt Mullenweg. The financial rewards of having to defend one of the most vindictive clients ever[1] are probably not small, especially when your client is so mentally stuck that they will see their delusional case to the last appeal. [1] https://wordpressenginetracker.com https://wordpressenginetracker.com
- rolph 2y ago'a judge ordered Mullenweg to remove a controversial login checkbox' remove means gone, not altered or replaced. i think clarification comes next, offering a chance to demonstrate lack of contempt before being jailed.
- ted_bunny 2y agoOn what grounds? He changed the statement the box makes by the user. It's silly compliance but O think you really have to go further than this for contempt.
- noncoml 2y agoWhy doesn’t WP Engine just fork the project? Is an account on Wordpress.org the only way for someone to use WP?
- Volundr 2y agoThe issue isn't using WP. It's maintaining their plugin "Advanced Custom Fields" that automattic had taken over. It's roughly analogous to if the NPM maintainers took over React on NPM. Doesn't stop Facebook from publishing their own version elsewhere but a lot of people will moved over to the new non-facebook version without knowing what's going on.
- pessimizer 2y ago> Why doesn’t WP Engine just fork the project? They don't want to pay for all that. They want to make money. That might save Mullenweg in the end, despite himself. He might be ordered to help them set up an alternative plugin directory, but the court probably can't or won't force him to continue doing business with them. Keeping up their mirror of the WP infra might cut into profits too badly. All of the huffing and puffing on their side doesn't change the fact that they're basically parasitic. They do nothing for Mullenweg, and he was doing everything for them. There could be an outcome where he's about to be forced to pay damages for all of the harassment and help with some complex remedy that still requires them to fork, and instead they come to a settlement beforehand where they (quietly and confidentially) pay him something slightly less than 8% of their revenue and he pays their legal costs and publicly apologizes.
- djaouen 2y agoWhy is everyone offended by every little thing now? The Internet can't take a joke anymore? Please...
- gedy 2y agoI think it's more the context from who did this. Jokes from disliked people always cause a fuss.
- kylehotchkiss 2y ago> When I initially saw it I assumed my friend was trolling me but yeah it’s there and has a value attribute filled out, which leaves me suspicious that he’s gonna use it as a proxy for the previous field,” she told me. Great time to be learning other CMSes. I tried Payload 3 this week. It was refreshingly easy to configure! Needs a little more polish (the textarea expansion logic seems broken in Safari) but I know a good team is behind it and they'll figure it out.
- KaiMagnus 2y agohttps://login.wordpress.org/ https://login.wordpress.org/ See for yourself, I thought this was a joke at first.
- lobsterthief 2y agoThe label is not even vertically aligned correctly…
- daft_pink 2y agoFirst they insisted I like pineapple on pizza, and I did not speak out—because I didn't mind it. Then they insisted I like mushrooms, and I did not speak out—because I was indifferent. Then they insisted I like anchovies, and I did not speak out—because I could tolerate them. Then they insisted I like every topping, and there was no one left to agree with my actual taste.
- tonetegeatinst 2y agoAnchovies and kiwi pizza. Just popped in my head and I now bless you with this interesting combo my brain told me.
- hiccuphippo 2y agoTo let you into the pizzeria, they assured you they didn't mind which topping you like with the Gourmet Pizza License v2. Now they tell you you have to like a specific topping and shouldn't be allowed to eat the pizza of you don't like it.
- xnx 2y agoIf this is what being rich does to you, I don't want to be rich.
- stanski 2y agoOnly if you already have a narcissistic personality.
- DoctorOW 2y agoIt definitely is. I can't think of a single person in the last 100 years who is both rich enough that they don't have to work for a living and is still kind to others. Maybe MacKenzie Scott? But I guess that just goes to show it is specifically the pursuit of wealth that corrupts.
- em-bee 2y agokeanu reeves?
- tengbretson 2y agoSchema deletions usually have to be rolled out in two phases. Maybe this is just a light-hearted approach to be immediately compliant w/ the ruling without making a breaking API change.
- demosthanos 2y agoNope, they already rolled back the checkbox within 72 hours of the court order. This was added this week, a few days after the original checkbox was removed. Also, the value of the checkbox is "yes-it-is", which would break the API anyway if that were the reason.
- hiccuphippo 2y agoApparently the last time it was just an html change, not stored in a database, but could potentially be stored in logs.
- nixosbestos 2y agoI guess I have enough FU money to say things like this, but I can't fathom getting to this login page and continuing. Do I think I'm actually making a legal agreement with these checkboxes? No. Do I think Matt is going to come after me, personally? (LOL, I don't think he has much of a grasp on the rest of our's shared reality right now, so...) no. But also, I have a low-bar of tolerance for insulting or abusive BS and this far, far exceeds it.