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Didn't apple announce earlier this year they were going to open NFC up more? What ever happened to that?

by privacyking 2y ago

Daneel_ 2y ago
It’s open to developers as of iOS 18.1: https://developer.apple.com/support/nfc-se-platform/ https://developer.apple.com/support/nfc-se-platform/
- lxgr 2y ago
  That's for card emulation. This article is about using iOS devices as readers. ISO 14443 card reader functionality has been made available some iOS versions before, but it's still restricted (e.g. you can't select any "payment" ISO 7816 applications, you have to predefine the list of AIDs you want to be able to select, and you don't have lower layer access to ISO 14443). I'm not aware of any announcements to further open up "reader" mode.
  - Daneel_ 2y ago
    Agreed, but it’s certainly more open than it used to be. At least now you can emulate a variety of cards directly in an app.
    - lxgr 2y ago
      Big companies that can afford to pay the certification fees maybe can; I definitely can’t. The entitlement is not available to regular app developers, unfortunately.
noprocrasted 2y ago
In the EU, maybe. And even then you will most likely need to beg for an "entitlement" to use it which may have requirements around being a registered business, etc so hobby apps are still excluded.
- lxgr 2y ago
  There's two versions of access to "card emulation" mode: - The EEA-only HCE (which lets you emulate the card in your app in software, for a limited list of use cases, which makes it a non-starter for fully offline systems unfortunately, as there's no protection against exfiltrating any keys from the app), and - The some-non-EEA-countries-only "full smartcard access" solution, which requires you to pay Apple and do a ton of (presumably also very expensive) certification. So for different reasons, neither is something in scope for hobbyists at the moment, unfortunately.

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Didn't apple announce earlier this year they were going to open NFC up more? What ever happened to that?

by privacyking 2y ago

Didn't apple announce earlier this year they were going to open NFC up more? What ever happened to that?

Daneel_ 2y ago
It’s open to developers as of iOS 18.1: https://developer.apple.com/support/nfc-se-platform/ https://developer.apple.com/support/nfc-se-platform/
- lxgr 2y ago
  That's for card emulation. This article is about using iOS devices as readers. ISO 14443 card reader functionality has been made available some iOS versions before, but it's still restricted (e.g. you can't select any "payment" ISO 7816 applications, you have to predefine the list of AIDs you want to be able to select, and you don't have lower layer access to ISO 14443). I'm not aware of any announcements to further open up "reader" mode.
  - Daneel_ 2y ago
    Agreed, but it’s certainly more open than it used to be. At least now you can emulate a variety of cards directly in an app.
    - lxgr 2y ago
      Big companies that can afford to pay the certification fees maybe can; I definitely can’t. The entitlement is not available to regular app developers, unfortunately.
noprocrasted 2y ago
In the EU, maybe. And even then you will most likely need to beg for an "entitlement" to use it which may have requirements around being a registered business, etc so hobby apps are still excluded.
- lxgr 2y ago
  There's two versions of access to "card emulation" mode: - The EEA-only HCE (which lets you emulate the card in your app in software, for a limited list of use cases, which makes it a non-starter for fully offline systems unfortunately, as there's no protection against exfiltrating any keys from the app), and - The some-non-EEA-countries-only "full smartcard access" solution, which requires you to pay Apple and do a ton of (presumably also very expensive) certification. So for different reasons, neither is something in scope for hobbyists at the moment, unfortunately.