4 ms·

Holy shit can you people stop with "every point that disagrees with me is a russian propaganda point" are you serious? Can you not conceive of anyone disagreein

Holy shit can you people stop with "every point that disagrees with me is a russian propaganda point" are you serious? Can you not conceive of anyone disagreeing with you in good faith without being a state actor? You're literally just declaring a specific kind of speech "not free speech" as if it's a fact and not your arbitrary opinion

libertine 2y ago
I'm not sure if you meant to reply to me, but I was very clear about the point, it wasn't "every point that disagrees with me". Unless you don't think it's relevant to point out that a specific recurring point promoted by and paid for by Russian State media, under the disguise of "conservative free speech"?[0] [0]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/05/tim-pool-benny-johnson-influencers-russia-disinformation https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/05/tim-...
- snapcaster 2y ago
  Right, i don't think that's relevant. You see how "bad person has that opinion therefore the opinion is invalid" doesn't lead to any kind of productive conversation right?
  - libertine 2y ago
    I think it's relevant, and that's why I commented to shed some light on it. I never accused anyone of being good or bad, I can't know that. But what I do know is that this angle is used quite often by the same people who push Russian propaganda, like Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, and Benny Johnson. How would you approach someone who has been misinformed into believing free speech protects foreign state interference and that's ok, for example?
ltbarcly3 2y ago
You should familiarize yourself on what the russian propaganda strategy is and reflect on whether you are amplifying it. Propoganda works on everyone.
- snapcaster 2y ago
  Look in the mirror, you're the one convinced everyone disagreeing with you is a threat to the empire. Don't worry buddy, the CIA has plenty of propagandists you don't need to carry water for them
  - ltbarcly3 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - shlant 2y ago
      > Do they pay you to rabidly shill or are you just that far gone? I am slightly on the side of the OP who originally made the claim but nobody should take anyone who throw's around the "paid shill" line seriously. You really are just labelling people you disagree with. Grow up.
Cthulhu_ 2y ago
Instead of attacking the poster with an ad hominem / character assassination, why not provide a counterpoint to their arguments, or ask them why they think it's Russian propaganda (burden of proof is with them after all)?

libertine 2y ago

I'm not sure if you meant to reply to me, but I was very clear about the point, it wasn't "every point that disagrees with me". Unless you don't think it's relevant to point out that a specific recurring point promoted by and paid for by Russian State media, under the disguise of "conservative free speech"?[0] [0]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/05/tim-pool-benny-johnson-influencers-russia-disinformation https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/05/tim-...

snapcaster 2y ago
Right, i don't think that's relevant. You see how "bad person has that opinion therefore the opinion is invalid" doesn't lead to any kind of productive conversation right?
- libertine 2y ago
  I think it's relevant, and that's why I commented to shed some light on it. I never accused anyone of being good or bad, I can't know that. But what I do know is that this angle is used quite often by the same people who push Russian propaganda, like Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, and Benny Johnson. How would you approach someone who has been misinformed into believing free speech protects foreign state interference and that's ok, for example?

ltbarcly3 2y ago

You should familiarize yourself on what the russian propaganda strategy is and reflect on whether you are amplifying it. Propoganda works on everyone.

snapcaster 2y ago
Look in the mirror, you're the one convinced everyone disagreeing with you is a threat to the empire. Don't worry buddy, the CIA has plenty of propagandists you don't need to carry water for them
- ltbarcly3 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - shlant 2y ago
    > Do they pay you to rabidly shill or are you just that far gone? I am slightly on the side of the OP who originally made the claim but nobody should take anyone who throw's around the "paid shill" line seriously. You really are just labelling people you disagree with. Grow up.

Cthulhu_ 2y ago

Instead of attacking the poster with an ad hominem / character assassination, why not provide a counterpoint to their arguments, or ask them why they think it's Russian propaganda (burden of proof is with them after all)?