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You can imagine it. But they'd be wrong. Facebook and YouTube aren't directly controlled by an enemy government, and likely aren't intending as part of their ra

You can imagine it. But they'd be wrong. Facebook and YouTube aren't directly controlled by an enemy government, and likely aren't intending as part of their raison d'être to sow discord and chaos in China.

t0bia_s 2y ago
So it's about ownership? Just a business? There is no issues with censorship or data harvesting?
hnfong 2y ago
> likely aren't intending as part of their raison d'être to sow discord and chaos in China. This is so revisionist that it's funny. I vividly recall Facebook management celebrating their role in toppling regimes around the world for example the "Arab Spring": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media%27s_role_in_the_Arab_Spring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media%27s_role_in_the_A... https://www.thewrap.com/facebooks-sheryl-sandberg-finding-jobs-spurring-arab-spring-31054/ https://www.thewrap.com/facebooks-sheryl-sandberg-finding-jo... I dare you find direct evidence of such quality that Tiktok is trying to do the same in the US.
- camel_Snake 2y ago
  US government wasn't very supportive of the Arab Spring. Also, what FB does may at times may be in line with its government interests but that doesn't mean they are being compelled, just they are like-minded. There is some influence of course but it's not like their existence is at the blessing of the President.
snapcaster 2y ago
Then why did all these sites comply with government directives on covid 'misinformation' or gaza? if they say "how high?" when the government says jump who cares what the official on paper corporate structures are?
- t0bia_s 2y ago
  FB or YouTube comply with enemy government like CCP?
Cookingboy 2y ago
Holy shit do you actually work for the U.S. State Department? Reuter reported this: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covi... U.S. social media absolutely are controlled by the U.S. government, and we can, and have been able to get any user data we want from them.
- hnpolicestate 2y ago
  Here is the dividing line rarely discussed openly. I and many other Americans truly believe the United States government and it's oligarchs are their greatest threat to American citizens. Not China, Russia, Iran etc. The latter are certainly threats but they don't have anywhere near the capacity nor desire to limit my rights like the United States does.
  - t0bia_s 2y ago
    Yet, most still play voting game.
- t0bia_s 2y ago
  - enemy government
  - xanderlewis 2y ago
    I’m using the phrase because it was used in the thread above.

t0bia_s 2y ago

So it's about ownership? Just a business? There is no issues with censorship or data harvesting?

hnfong 2y ago

> likely aren't intending as part of their raison d'être to sow discord and chaos in China. This is so revisionist that it's funny. I vividly recall Facebook management celebrating their role in toppling regimes around the world for example the "Arab Spring": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media%27s_role_in_the_Arab_Spring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media%27s_role_in_the_A... https://www.thewrap.com/facebooks-sheryl-sandberg-finding-jobs-spurring-arab-spring-31054/ https://www.thewrap.com/facebooks-sheryl-sandberg-finding-jo... I dare you find direct evidence of such quality that Tiktok is trying to do the same in the US.

camel_Snake 2y ago
US government wasn't very supportive of the Arab Spring. Also, what FB does may at times may be in line with its government interests but that doesn't mean they are being compelled, just they are like-minded. There is some influence of course but it's not like their existence is at the blessing of the President.

snapcaster 2y ago

Then why did all these sites comply with government directives on covid 'misinformation' or gaza? if they say "how high?" when the government says jump who cares what the official on paper corporate structures are?

t0bia_s 2y ago
FB or YouTube comply with enemy government like CCP?

Cookingboy 2y ago

Holy shit do you actually work for the U.S. State Department? Reuter reported this: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covi... U.S. social media absolutely are controlled by the U.S. government, and we can, and have been able to get any user data we want from them.

hnpolicestate 2y ago
Here is the dividing line rarely discussed openly. I and many other Americans truly believe the United States government and it's oligarchs are their greatest threat to American citizens. Not China, Russia, Iran etc. The latter are certainly threats but they don't have anywhere near the capacity nor desire to limit my rights like the United States does.
- t0bia_s 2y ago
  Yet, most still play voting game.
t0bia_s 2y ago
- enemy government
- xanderlewis 2y ago
  I’m using the phrase because it was used in the thread above.