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They somhow forgot thaat their grandparents FORCED it to be good. That struggle is no different than any other movie now though, just something that happened. T
by guerrilla 2y ago
They somhow forgot thaat their grandparents FORCED it to be good. That struggle is no different than any other movie now though, just something that happened. They things can be good without making them good. Some kind of just world fallacy on a cultural scale.
I'm with you. I came fro the US. Trust is earned.
- mantas 2y agoWas it really forced though? In US, it looks like society was (and still is, although results vary) on the outlook but force needs applied all the time. Meanwhile in Sweden, although I'm no expert of it's history, it looks like government itself decided to do good for shit and giggles. And then happily stuck to it's promise for generations. I've a similar feeling about other somewhat naive countries, e.g. Germany. It was outside forces after WW2. And even for mid-19th century one could argue that uniting German lands under Prussia was a somewhat outside force from perspective of a large chunk of Germans.
- guappa 2y agoYou have to understand that at the time communism was a real option. And while we now think they lived in poverty and so on, they didn't really have much worse conditions than the rest of europe right after the war. So governments had to do social reforms to avoid revolutions. The fact that now communism is no longer considered a viable option by most people is why now capitalism can go unchecked and reveal its true face.
- guerrilla 2y agoYes, it was really forced by labor unions, tenant unions and other active forms of organization who were at the time very aggressive. People died over it. There were general strikes, sabotage and liter am armed conflict over it. Things would have gotten much worse if the business cartel had not signed the peace accord. That's why they did, because they were forced to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltsj%C3%B6baden_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltsj%C3%B6baden_Agreement > Meanwhile in Sweden, although I'm no expert of it's history Stick to that intuition. Your story is far from accurate.
- mantas 2y agoIMO the trust between swedish government and people started waaay earlier when Sweden ended its imperial ambitions and the royal family focused on inside. Agreements like above are important to labour rights, but it’s little compared to struggles other parts of the world came through. Just like labour rights are little compared to much bigger societal things like attempts to eradicate or assimilate whole ethnicities or force all sorts of social experiments on parts of the society. Where Sweden also has some history too, but it touched very small part of the society. And that society has very similar hostile feelings as far as I know.