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The steady march towards authoritarianism continues. Is there any way that we can overwhelm them?

by collyw 2y ago

turblety 2y ago
We can support projects like Autonomi [1] (the rebranded MaidSafe [2]). It should create what (I feel) the internet was always ment to be. Peer to peer communications. I think the only solution to this is to stop the centralised mess the internet has become. 1. https://autonomi.com/ https://autonomi.com/ 2. https://maidsafe.net/ https://maidsafe.net/
- demarq 2y ago
  I looked at all three website sites but no docs, it's a rough start with no headline app, or docs to create an app.
  - turblety 2y ago
    Thanks demarq. I agree the marketing needs some improvements. They recently did a rebrand and it's added a lot of confusion.
postepowanieadm 2y ago
Vote.
- EpicQuest_246 2y ago
  People say as a pithy answer and it is very frustrating. Unfortunately it is utterly unrealistic that voting will solve this situation. 1) The majority of the UK's populace are onboard with the vast majority of these laws. Even if all the people that opposed this voted for another party, due to how the constituencies work, your vote will be effectively made moot. 2) Both major UK parties essentially agree that these laws should be implemented. The only solution to any problem that UK government can envisage is banning something. You can look into the Lotus Carlton ram raids of 40RR, they were singing the same tune back in the late 80s/early 90s. 3) There is no realistic pro-liberty / anti-censorship movement at all in the UK This has been going for longer than I have been alive in the UK (I am now in my early 40s). I am not an anarchist, but I've heard the phrase repeated by anarchists of "You cannot vote yourself free". The only way to resist such laws is to subvert them via technology.
- amoe_ 2y ago
  This legislation was created by the Conservative party, but wasn't opposed by any major political party in the UK.
- iLoveOncall 2y ago
  What a joke. Every single political party that will ever be in power will want this sort of bills to be passed. It benefits them directly.
userbinator 2y ago
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threeseed 2y ago
The problem for you is that the majority of the public support this. Because there is plenty of scientific evidence that social media is bad for children with many parents having first hand experiences with grooming, deep fakes, bullying etc. And I think almost everyone can agree that companies like Meta, TikTok, X have major problems with their algorithms pushing people into ideological extremes, allowing rogue actors to manipulate at scale and not taking privacy or security seriously enough. So finding people who want to defend them will be hard.
- contracertainty 2y ago
  You are absolutely right, and you have indavertebtly hit the nail on the head. This legilsation is supported by parents who would like their children to be able to use the internet, all of it, without any effort on their part to police their children's online habits. There are many parents who give their kids smartphones at 10 years old, or younger, and create Google and Facebook/Insta accounts with fake ages for their kids to use, and let them at it. No supervision, no discussion, no parental controls. This renders any action on the part of the tech companies moot, as parents are proving that their pre-teen kids are adults by providing false information. Kids then go online, go into Snapchat or whatever, cue torrent of DPs and grooming. Quelle surprise! Schools in the UK spend an inordinate amount of time dealing with this, and in almost every case it turns out parents have no idea what their kids are sending/seeing online. So the result is that bad parents demand bad legislation so that they can, in their minds, transfer responsibility for parenting their kids to the state. The state, well meaning rather than malicious, massively overreaches in its attempt to provide an answer. As a result everyone else suffers. And the 'majority of the public' think parents should parent, rather than making it the government's problem, and butt out of their internet.
  - threeseed 2y ago
    > As a result everyone else suffers Welcome to life in a society. We pick winners which by extension creates losers. So you would be arguing that we shouldn't protect children from social media which is causing significant harm to them because it might inconvenience a minority of adults.
iLoveOncall 2y ago
> Is there any way that we can overwhelm them? Yes: leave the UK. I and a lot of high earners are thinking about leaving the UK because it's simply a punishing country where you have high taxes like others in Europe but nothing to show for them. It's also by far the most authoritarian western country, as exemplified by measures like this one. The way to overwhelm them is to sink the UK by having most of the people it relies on to function (high earners) leave and let the country collapse.
- hyhconito 2y ago
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- eru 2y ago
  > The way to overwhelm them is to sink the UK by having most of the people in relies on to function (high earners) leave and let the country collapse. Leaving is useful, if it improves your personal well-being. No need to be spiteful about it.
- frikskit 2y ago
  Where do you want to go, I’m curious?! I wonder what panacea you see out there that’s less authoritarian and where you could keep your “high earner” social status. It’s a shame that Britain gave one of its “high earner” jobs to someone who’d enjoy seeing it collapse.
  - iLoveOncall 2y ago
    > I wonder what panacea you see out there that’s less authoritarian and where you could keep your “high earner” social status. Throw a dart on a world map and chances are you'll land somewhere suitable. Any other first world country would be better for example. > It’s a shame that Britain gave one of its “high earner” jobs to someone who’d enjoy seeing it collapse. Britain didn't give me anything. They were unable to supply qualified individuals for a role that requires them, so they had to import a skilled worker on a visa that makes me ineligible to any public money, forces me to leave the country within 2 months should I lose my job, yet forces me to give the equivalent of 5 minimum wages of salary to taxes all the while having no benefits compared to said minimum wage workers and "enjoying" the same public services, such as a one year waiting list for a procedure that I got done for free in a day in the country where I used to live. I also didn't say I would enjoy to see it collapse, I said that the solution to push back against those authoritarian measures, and other anti-middle-class policies is to vote with the only vote we are given: our wallet.
devjab 2y ago
I’m not sure you’re going to find a lot of sympathy for SoMe platforms in many European countries. Maybe you would have before Twitter was bought and a lot of the “media elite” used it. Today I think you’d mostly find a lot of happy parents applauding you if you were the first politician to manage to ban something like Tik-Tok, Facebook or similar. Not that I’m trying to justify it. I both think the way that it’s being done is wrong and that a lot of people will miss the open web more than they think. Not holding big tech companies responsible for the content which is housed on their platforms was always a one way street into heavy regulation here in the EU. As with everything EU it takes decades, but I fully expect us to eventually ban many social media products. Or get left by them because it will not be possible for them to make money if they actually have to be custodians of their content.

The steady march towards authoritarianism continues. Is there any way that we can overwhelm them?

by collyw 2y ago

The steady march towards authoritarianism continues. Is there any way that we can overwhelm them?

We can support projects like Autonomi [1] (the rebranded MaidSafe [2]). It should create what (I feel) the internet was always ment to be. Peer to peer communications. I think the only solution to this is to stop the centralised mess the internet has become. 1. https://autonomi.com/ https://autonomi.com/ 2. https://maidsafe.net/ https://maidsafe.net/

demarq 2y ago
I looked at all three website sites but no docs, it's a rough start with no headline app, or docs to create an app.
- turblety 2y ago
  Thanks demarq. I agree the marketing needs some improvements. They recently did a rebrand and it's added a lot of confusion.

postepowanieadm 2y ago

Vote.

EpicQuest_246 2y ago
People say as a pithy answer and it is very frustrating. Unfortunately it is utterly unrealistic that voting will solve this situation. 1) The majority of the UK's populace are onboard with the vast majority of these laws. Even if all the people that opposed this voted for another party, due to how the constituencies work, your vote will be effectively made moot. 2) Both major UK parties essentially agree that these laws should be implemented. The only solution to any problem that UK government can envisage is banning something. You can look into the Lotus Carlton ram raids of 40RR, they were singing the same tune back in the late 80s/early 90s. 3) There is no realistic pro-liberty / anti-censorship movement at all in the UK This has been going for longer than I have been alive in the UK (I am now in my early 40s). I am not an anarchist, but I've heard the phrase repeated by anarchists of "You cannot vote yourself free". The only way to resist such laws is to subvert them via technology.
amoe_ 2y ago
This legislation was created by the Conservative party, but wasn't opposed by any major political party in the UK.
iLoveOncall 2y ago
What a joke. Every single political party that will ever be in power will want this sort of bills to be passed. It benefits them directly.

userbinator 2y ago

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threeseed 2y ago

The problem for you is that the majority of the public support this. Because there is plenty of scientific evidence that social media is bad for children with many parents having first hand experiences with grooming, deep fakes, bullying etc. And I think almost everyone can agree that companies like Meta, TikTok, X have major problems with their algorithms pushing people into ideological extremes, allowing rogue actors to manipulate at scale and not taking privacy or security seriously enough. So finding people who want to defend them will be hard.

contracertainty 2y ago
You are absolutely right, and you have indavertebtly hit the nail on the head. This legilsation is supported by parents who would like their children to be able to use the internet, all of it, without any effort on their part to police their children's online habits. There are many parents who give their kids smartphones at 10 years old, or younger, and create Google and Facebook/Insta accounts with fake ages for their kids to use, and let them at it. No supervision, no discussion, no parental controls. This renders any action on the part of the tech companies moot, as parents are proving that their pre-teen kids are adults by providing false information. Kids then go online, go into Snapchat or whatever, cue torrent of DPs and grooming. Quelle surprise! Schools in the UK spend an inordinate amount of time dealing with this, and in almost every case it turns out parents have no idea what their kids are sending/seeing online. So the result is that bad parents demand bad legislation so that they can, in their minds, transfer responsibility for parenting their kids to the state. The state, well meaning rather than malicious, massively overreaches in its attempt to provide an answer. As a result everyone else suffers. And the 'majority of the public' think parents should parent, rather than making it the government's problem, and butt out of their internet.
- threeseed 2y ago
  > As a result everyone else suffers Welcome to life in a society. We pick winners which by extension creates losers. So you would be arguing that we shouldn't protect children from social media which is causing significant harm to them because it might inconvenience a minority of adults.

iLoveOncall 2y ago

> Is there any way that we can overwhelm them? Yes: leave the UK. I and a lot of high earners are thinking about leaving the UK because it's simply a punishing country where you have high taxes like others in Europe but nothing to show for them. It's also by far the most authoritarian western country, as exemplified by measures like this one. The way to overwhelm them is to sink the UK by having most of the people it relies on to function (high earners) leave and let the country collapse.

hyhconito 2y ago
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eru 2y ago
> The way to overwhelm them is to sink the UK by having most of the people in relies on to function (high earners) leave and let the country collapse. Leaving is useful, if it improves your personal well-being. No need to be spiteful about it.
frikskit 2y ago
Where do you want to go, I’m curious?! I wonder what panacea you see out there that’s less authoritarian and where you could keep your “high earner” social status. It’s a shame that Britain gave one of its “high earner” jobs to someone who’d enjoy seeing it collapse.
- iLoveOncall 2y ago
  > I wonder what panacea you see out there that’s less authoritarian and where you could keep your “high earner” social status. Throw a dart on a world map and chances are you'll land somewhere suitable. Any other first world country would be better for example. > It’s a shame that Britain gave one of its “high earner” jobs to someone who’d enjoy seeing it collapse. Britain didn't give me anything. They were unable to supply qualified individuals for a role that requires them, so they had to import a skilled worker on a visa that makes me ineligible to any public money, forces me to leave the country within 2 months should I lose my job, yet forces me to give the equivalent of 5 minimum wages of salary to taxes all the while having no benefits compared to said minimum wage workers and "enjoying" the same public services, such as a one year waiting list for a procedure that I got done for free in a day in the country where I used to live. I also didn't say I would enjoy to see it collapse, I said that the solution to push back against those authoritarian measures, and other anti-middle-class policies is to vote with the only vote we are given: our wallet.

devjab 2y ago

I’m not sure you’re going to find a lot of sympathy for SoMe platforms in many European countries. Maybe you would have before Twitter was bought and a lot of the “media elite” used it. Today I think you’d mostly find a lot of happy parents applauding you if you were the first politician to manage to ban something like Tik-Tok, Facebook or similar. Not that I’m trying to justify it. I both think the way that it’s being done is wrong and that a lot of people will miss the open web more than they think. Not holding big tech companies responsible for the content which is housed on their platforms was always a one way street into heavy regulation here in the EU. As with everything EU it takes decades, but I fully expect us to eventually ban many social media products. Or get left by them because it will not be possible for them to make money if they actually have to be custodians of their content.