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Swedish government: "We'll only use electric cars!" Also swedish government: "Please don't vacuum or do laundry on cold days when everyone has extra heaters on

by guappa 2y ago

Swedish government: "We'll only use electric cars!" Also swedish government: "Please don't vacuum or do laundry on cold days when everyone has extra heaters on" Also swedish government: "Everyone's income is public record!" Also swedish government: "We'll give money to people with large homes. The larger the home the more money they will get, because they have more costs for heating." Also swedish government: "This money is not income and not public record." Sweden is a very corrupt capitalist country that is still riding the socialist image they created long ago. But that sweden died with olaf palme. Sweden today is a completely different thing. Remember that the "corruption index" things are about perception, so if you have a good marketing department (and a police that never arrests anyone for corruption) your citizens will generally not know corruption exists. I live in sweden. I've seen how police investigates corruption: "pin everything on the immigrant cleaner and pretend the managers who signed the budget didn't know anything about it" is the strategy. Also the widespread racism that makes most people believe swedish people are inherently honest and immigrants are genetically dishonest helps to sell the story :) Before you downvote me, go live 10 years in sweden, learn the language and meet people who are born there.

AndyMcConachie 2y ago
Sounds like The Netherlands. Hypocrisy. White supremacy. Living off of the image of a before time. Corrupt yet not willing to admit it. Blaming everything on immigrants. I live in NL and a lot of what you say about Sweden sounds very similar.
- pelorat 2y ago
  Almost every violent street crime, street robbery, or armed robbery is perpetrated by people with some form of immigrant background. Both in the NL and in Sweden. (I'm a swede living in the NL). Also western supremacy (the notion that western culture is superior in the world) is not the same as white supremacy.
  - tcfhgj 2y ago
    Let me ask you a question: Why do people do desperate things such as robbing other people?
  - guappa 2y ago
    And if we instruct the police to ignore white collar crimes, then suddenly the only criminals are immigrants! Isn't that wonderful? /s
- guappa 2y ago
  Hehe dutch people feel very superior to everyone else because their budget isn't as negative as the other european countries, due to their country being a tax haven. I ONCE met a dutch person who admitted that being a tax haven is nothing of great merit and it was so refreshing :D I remember arguing with a (racist and violent) dutch guy who claimed portugal is a mediterranean country. I kept saying that you need to be ON the mediterranean to be a mediterranean country. :D
guerrilla 2y ago
> Sweden is a very corrupt capitalist country that is still riding the socialist image they created long ago. What I don't understand is how the people living here can't see this. It's absolutely incomprehensible how naive they are. I don't know how the state could make it any clearer that it does not share their values and is not what people seem to think it is. That Sweden died long ago.
- mantas 2y ago
  That's what happens when government is pretty good for a long time and people get used to trusting it over multiple generations. This is the biggest cultural shock for 100%-eastern-european-me when I'm exposed to western europe. Why would people trust governments, media and so on? I'll never understand it. Do your own due diligence, prepare for the worst and brace for a beating from government which wants to sell you out. Is it a good way to live? Probably not. But looks like it's the natural state.
  - guerrilla 2y ago
    They somhow forgot thaat their grandparents FORCED it to be good. That struggle is no different than any other movie now though, just something that happened. They things can be good without making them good. Some kind of just world fallacy on a cultural scale. I'm with you. I came fro the US. Trust is earned.
    - mantas 2y ago
      Was it really forced though? In US, it looks like society was (and still is, although results vary) on the outlook but force needs applied all the time. Meanwhile in Sweden, although I'm no expert of it's history, it looks like government itself decided to do good for shit and giggles. And then happily stuck to it's promise for generations. I've a similar feeling about other somewhat naive countries, e.g. Germany. It was outside forces after WW2. And even for mid-19th century one could argue that uniting German lands under Prussia was a somewhat outside force from perspective of a large chunk of Germans.

by guappa 2y ago

AndyMcConachie 2y ago

Sounds like The Netherlands. Hypocrisy. White supremacy. Living off of the image of a before time. Corrupt yet not willing to admit it. Blaming everything on immigrants. I live in NL and a lot of what you say about Sweden sounds very similar.

pelorat 2y ago
Almost every violent street crime, street robbery, or armed robbery is perpetrated by people with some form of immigrant background. Both in the NL and in Sweden. (I'm a swede living in the NL). Also western supremacy (the notion that western culture is superior in the world) is not the same as white supremacy.
- tcfhgj 2y ago
  Let me ask you a question: Why do people do desperate things such as robbing other people?
- guappa 2y ago
  And if we instruct the police to ignore white collar crimes, then suddenly the only criminals are immigrants! Isn't that wonderful? /s
guappa 2y ago
Hehe dutch people feel very superior to everyone else because their budget isn't as negative as the other european countries, due to their country being a tax haven. I ONCE met a dutch person who admitted that being a tax haven is nothing of great merit and it was so refreshing :D I remember arguing with a (racist and violent) dutch guy who claimed portugal is a mediterranean country. I kept saying that you need to be ON the mediterranean to be a mediterranean country. :D

guerrilla 2y ago

> Sweden is a very corrupt capitalist country that is still riding the socialist image they created long ago. What I don't understand is how the people living here can't see this. It's absolutely incomprehensible how naive they are. I don't know how the state could make it any clearer that it does not share their values and is not what people seem to think it is. That Sweden died long ago.

mantas 2y ago
That's what happens when government is pretty good for a long time and people get used to trusting it over multiple generations. This is the biggest cultural shock for 100%-eastern-european-me when I'm exposed to western europe. Why would people trust governments, media and so on? I'll never understand it. Do your own due diligence, prepare for the worst and brace for a beating from government which wants to sell you out. Is it a good way to live? Probably not. But looks like it's the natural state.
- guerrilla 2y ago
  They somhow forgot thaat their grandparents FORCED it to be good. That struggle is no different than any other movie now though, just something that happened. They things can be good without making them good. Some kind of just world fallacy on a cultural scale. I'm with you. I came fro the US. Trust is earned.
  - mantas 2y ago
    Was it really forced though? In US, it looks like society was (and still is, although results vary) on the outlook but force needs applied all the time. Meanwhile in Sweden, although I'm no expert of it's history, it looks like government itself decided to do good for shit and giggles. And then happily stuck to it's promise for generations. I've a similar feeling about other somewhat naive countries, e.g. Germany. It was outside forces after WW2. And even for mid-19th century one could argue that uniting German lands under Prussia was a somewhat outside force from perspective of a large chunk of Germans.