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It is still true what she says. Having an interconnected electricity system is problematic when countries like Germany misbehave by having a horrible energy po

It is still true what she says. Having an interconnected electricity system is problematic when countries like Germany misbehave by having a horrible energy politics. That said, it would had been better in Sweden if they hadn't phased out nuclear too! There is a electricity shortage in south of Sweden where industries are denied establishing new initiatives.

jamesblonde 2y ago
Sweden has not phased out nuclear. A large portion of electricity generation is still nuclear.
- 0points 2y ago
  That's revisionistic. Sweden started phasing out nuclear in 1999 and has since closed 6 of 12 reactors. - Barsebäck B1 and B2 was closed in 1999. - Oskarshamn O1 and O2 was closed in 2015 and 2017. - Rinhals R1 and R2 was closed in 2019 and 2020. https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A4rnkraft_i_Sverige#Avveckling_fr%C3%A5n_1999 https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A4rnkraft_i_Sverige#Avvec...
  - tcfhgj 2y ago
    So they haven't actually phased out nuclear power, just reduced it.
    - willvarfar 2y ago
      Or perhaps they haven't been _replacing_ reactors as they reach end of life?
willvarfar 2y ago
There isn't an energy shortage in Sweden? Sweden has an overproduction of energy, it is just generally generated in the north (where the hydro is) and consumed in the south (where the people are). The 'shortage in the south' is just a political lens for explaining the high prices from the introduction of energy zones in 2011. Before then, there was one price for electricity in Sweden and this worked to the benefit of the consumer. Stepping back, do we really want the south to invest in _generating_ electricity? And if so, at what granularity? At the kommun level, or the län? At what point is that granularity ok but the whole-of-Sweden granularity that we had before the privatisation push is not ok?
- mnky9800n 2y ago
  Does Sweden have a single power grid or is it segmented like Norway?
  - piva00 2y ago
    It's a single power grid but the transmission lines north->south are insufficient to carry all the potential electricity generated by hydro at peak production.
- guappa 2y ago
  > Sweden has an overproduction of energy Yes, that's because all the industry had to move because of the no energy in sweden.
- lawn 2y ago
  Even though countries may have a net export it doesn't mean they're always exporting.
jillesvangurp 2y ago
Actually this is a good thing. There's demand for energy so prices go up. This in turn makes investments in energy generation in Sweden more lucrative since they apparently have a lot of energy revenue coming in from abroad to finance more such projects. There are a lot of renewable energy projects in and around Sweden and the wider region. And of course they are actually manufacturing and exporting a lot of wind turbines as well. Wind technology is a substantial part of their economy. There is no energy shortage in Sweden. They can export as little or as much power as they want. But of course with prices being high that means they export a fair bit and that causes prices to rise. Which is causing Sweden to make a lot of money from this business. If they want lower prices locally, they should look at their local energy market, infrastructure, and regulations instead of blaming the Germans for being able to pay market rates for energy to Sweden.
- queuep 2y ago
  > There is no energy shortage in Sweden. They can export as little or as much power as they want. This statement definitely needs a source. The EU have laws that require 70% of the produces electricity to be on the market. Source, in Swedish: https://www.svk.se/om-kraftsystemet/om-elmarknaden/export-och-import-av-el/ https://www.svk.se/om-kraftsystemet/om-elmarknaden/export-oc...
  - jillesvangurp 2y ago
    It's a net energy exporter; as many sources will confirm.
    - piva00 2y ago
      It is but that doesn't help us here in Sweden, we pay the highest bid price for the electricity generated here but being exported. The last government at least put in place windfall taxes to pay us back during the massive cost increase in the first winter after Russia invaded Ukraine. We got compensated a few months later the prices went insane. The current government already said they won't do that, which is rather absurd since a lot of our electricity is generated by Vatenfall, a state company.

jamesblonde 2y ago

Sweden has not phased out nuclear. A large portion of electricity generation is still nuclear.

0points 2y ago
That's revisionistic. Sweden started phasing out nuclear in 1999 and has since closed 6 of 12 reactors. - Barsebäck B1 and B2 was closed in 1999. - Oskarshamn O1 and O2 was closed in 2015 and 2017. - Rinhals R1 and R2 was closed in 2019 and 2020. https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A4rnkraft_i_Sverige#Avveckling_fr%C3%A5n_1999 https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A4rnkraft_i_Sverige#Avvec...
- tcfhgj 2y ago
  So they haven't actually phased out nuclear power, just reduced it.
  - willvarfar 2y ago
    Or perhaps they haven't been _replacing_ reactors as they reach end of life?

willvarfar 2y ago

There isn't an energy shortage in Sweden? Sweden has an overproduction of energy, it is just generally generated in the north (where the hydro is) and consumed in the south (where the people are). The 'shortage in the south' is just a political lens for explaining the high prices from the introduction of energy zones in 2011. Before then, there was one price for electricity in Sweden and this worked to the benefit of the consumer. Stepping back, do we really want the south to invest in _generating_ electricity? And if so, at what granularity? At the kommun level, or the län? At what point is that granularity ok but the whole-of-Sweden granularity that we had before the privatisation push is not ok?

mnky9800n 2y ago
Does Sweden have a single power grid or is it segmented like Norway?
- piva00 2y ago
  It's a single power grid but the transmission lines north->south are insufficient to carry all the potential electricity generated by hydro at peak production.
guappa 2y ago
> Sweden has an overproduction of energy Yes, that's because all the industry had to move because of the no energy in sweden.
lawn 2y ago
Even though countries may have a net export it doesn't mean they're always exporting.

jillesvangurp 2y ago

Actually this is a good thing. There's demand for energy so prices go up. This in turn makes investments in energy generation in Sweden more lucrative since they apparently have a lot of energy revenue coming in from abroad to finance more such projects. There are a lot of renewable energy projects in and around Sweden and the wider region. And of course they are actually manufacturing and exporting a lot of wind turbines as well. Wind technology is a substantial part of their economy. There is no energy shortage in Sweden. They can export as little or as much power as they want. But of course with prices being high that means they export a fair bit and that causes prices to rise. Which is causing Sweden to make a lot of money from this business. If they want lower prices locally, they should look at their local energy market, infrastructure, and regulations instead of blaming the Germans for being able to pay market rates for energy to Sweden.

queuep 2y ago
> There is no energy shortage in Sweden. They can export as little or as much power as they want. This statement definitely needs a source. The EU have laws that require 70% of the produces electricity to be on the market. Source, in Swedish: https://www.svk.se/om-kraftsystemet/om-elmarknaden/export-och-import-av-el/ https://www.svk.se/om-kraftsystemet/om-elmarknaden/export-oc...
- jillesvangurp 2y ago
  It's a net energy exporter; as many sources will confirm.
  - piva00 2y ago
    It is but that doesn't help us here in Sweden, we pay the highest bid price for the electricity generated here but being exported. The last government at least put in place windfall taxes to pay us back during the massive cost increase in the first winter after Russia invaded Ukraine. We got compensated a few months later the prices went insane. The current government already said they won't do that, which is rather absurd since a lot of our electricity is generated by Vatenfall, a state company.