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>I'm generally opposed to a death penalty but I think these kinds of actions are what warrant one Seriously? I think "don't grant him clemency" covers my feel

>I'm generally opposed to a death penalty but I think these kinds of actions are what warrant one Seriously? I think "don't grant him clemency" covers my feelings adequately. And I'm happy with the original 17.5 years.

pseudo0 2y ago
How about adding up the number of years he caused kids to be inappropriately sentences to juvenile detention for kickbacks, and then multiplying by 3x?
- SR2Z 2y ago
  Who would that serve? The kids? Their lives are already ruined. Two decades in jail plus the stigma of that conviction is an awful lot of punishment. The man might still be of use to society, just not around the law. This punishment fetish is why we have so many people locked up in our jails compared to ANYWHERE else in the world. Can you actually say that this makes our society safer or more productive? The irony is that your reflex of "lock him up and throw away the key" was EXACTLY how those kids got long sentences.
  - Teever 2y ago
    > This punishment fetish is why we have so many people locked up in our jails compared to ANYWHERE else in the world. Can you actually say that this makes our society safer or more productive? The problem is that we lock up the wrong people. We mis-prioritize our resources locking up non-white collar criminals when we should be focusing on the people who actually cause the most chaos in society -- people like Michael Conahan. The reason there's so much violent crime in America is because people like him greedily steal the resources that could be going to fixing the systemic issues and use those resources to bribe and change the system so that it further entrenches their power. Even if American society should reduce the number of people in prison it must still lock up those who are proven to threaten and destabilize society. People like Michael Conahan must be removed from society permanently be that life in prison or execution.
OutOfHere 2y ago
17 years for ruining the lives of 4000 kids, scarring them, is grossly insufficient. Even a life sentence won't do justice. He served about 13 years which is a mockery of justice.
Teever 2y ago
Yes. I'm serious. We call this kind of crime non-violent because he never physically hurt anyone but that's a complete misnomer. Using a gavel to have people unlawfully locked in prisons isn't nonviolent anymore than a James Bond villain pressing a button to activate the laser that cuts Bond in half is. Michael Conahan is farcically evil like a Bond villain and he should be excised from society so that he can never threaten anyone else and to serve as a warning to others who would betray society so casually. This is the kind of person who would gleefully run a concentration camp if he was a German in the 1940s and we don't need people like him in society.
- me_me_me 2y ago
  this kind of person would be actively looking for jews and other nonhumans for reward money. He should rot in prison for life live-streamed to every judge as a reminder how you will end if abusing position of power. 1 child/person was too much. Even if they were sent for a 1 week.

pseudo0 2y ago

How about adding up the number of years he caused kids to be inappropriately sentences to juvenile detention for kickbacks, and then multiplying by 3x?

SR2Z 2y ago
Who would that serve? The kids? Their lives are already ruined. Two decades in jail plus the stigma of that conviction is an awful lot of punishment. The man might still be of use to society, just not around the law. This punishment fetish is why we have so many people locked up in our jails compared to ANYWHERE else in the world. Can you actually say that this makes our society safer or more productive? The irony is that your reflex of "lock him up and throw away the key" was EXACTLY how those kids got long sentences.
- Teever 2y ago
  > This punishment fetish is why we have so many people locked up in our jails compared to ANYWHERE else in the world. Can you actually say that this makes our society safer or more productive? The problem is that we lock up the wrong people. We mis-prioritize our resources locking up non-white collar criminals when we should be focusing on the people who actually cause the most chaos in society -- people like Michael Conahan. The reason there's so much violent crime in America is because people like him greedily steal the resources that could be going to fixing the systemic issues and use those resources to bribe and change the system so that it further entrenches their power. Even if American society should reduce the number of people in prison it must still lock up those who are proven to threaten and destabilize society. People like Michael Conahan must be removed from society permanently be that life in prison or execution.

OutOfHere 2y ago

17 years for ruining the lives of 4000 kids, scarring them, is grossly insufficient. Even a life sentence won't do justice. He served about 13 years which is a mockery of justice.

Teever 2y ago

Yes. I'm serious. We call this kind of crime non-violent because he never physically hurt anyone but that's a complete misnomer. Using a gavel to have people unlawfully locked in prisons isn't nonviolent anymore than a James Bond villain pressing a button to activate the laser that cuts Bond in half is. Michael Conahan is farcically evil like a Bond villain and he should be excised from society so that he can never threaten anyone else and to serve as a warning to others who would betray society so casually. This is the kind of person who would gleefully run a concentration camp if he was a German in the 1940s and we don't need people like him in society.

me_me_me 2y ago
this kind of person would be actively looking for jews and other nonhumans for reward money. He should rot in prison for life live-streamed to every judge as a reminder how you will end if abusing position of power. 1 child/person was too much. Even if they were sent for a 1 week.