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Many would disagree, solely on the basis of the many knock-on effects where such companies in other areas have cut corners with egregious failures. > Augmentin

Many would disagree, solely on the basis of the many knock-on effects where such companies in other areas have cut corners with egregious failures. > Augmenting a parent so their child has a world class tutor is incredible stuff. So does replacing the underlying meaning of the label tutor, with a cult leader. It is incredible, just not in the way you intended. How will you know the difference if this was done outside your awareness? Machines are programmed by people you never meet, or can hold to account (in many cases). Many seem to think LLM's are magical replacements for people, they are not. It seems more like you want to further offload parenting to a blind machine you can't control without recognition of the consequences, while taking away the economic benefit of tutoring as a job at the same time. The internet raised a lot of kids in the late 80s/90s, many were very intelligent, but became maladjusted from exposure to things on places like 4chan. That maladjustment led to acts that landed some of them in prison, which has become the modern form of slavery. I think you need to more carefully reflect on both the negatives and positives.

bloomingkales 2y ago
The internet raised a lot of kids in the late 80s/90s, many were very intelligent, but became maladjusted from exposure to things on places like 4chan. The realist in me is focusing in on the first half of that sentence. The kids are going to get raised by something other than the parents. This will happen globally because no one wants to accept parenting globally has been and will continue to be inadequate. I’d rather many children in say, I don’t know, Afghanistan, get some guidance from an LLM.
- trod1234 2y ago
  This is a recipe for disaster wherever it might occur, no good can come from it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/12/10/character-ai-lawsuit-teen-kill-parents-texas/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/12/10/charact... LLMs are not people, only people know how to give guidance. LLMs are chaos and deceit simulacra, and kids are the least biologically capable of discerning omission and deceit especially prior to the age of reason where this isn't possible.
dragonwriter 2y ago
> The internet raised a lot of kids in the late 80s/90s The internet wasn’t really available to most of the public until after the advent of the web in 1994, it certainly wasn’t raising a lot of kids (even in the very loose sense of having some influence through being a medium of direct interaction for them while they were growing up) in the 1980s.
- trod1234 2y ago
  That is categorically untrue. The internet was available well before 94. AOL and Compuserve were available and provided access to quite a large number of people starting in 85 iirc, and by 89/90 their free month promotions targeting families made it cost effect for most (they sent out the CDs and bundled them with magazines everywhere, allowed creation of subaccounts, and many businesses reimbursed for the monthly costs as email was really catching on). It certainly wasn't the web as we know it today, but it was the internet with direct interaction in mailing lists, newsgroups, chat rooms, You've got emails, and other network connected services and even games in the form of muds, all at the blazing fast speeds of the time, 14.4kbps, and its now iconic connection handshake.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > AOL and Compuserve were available and provided access to quite a large number of people starting in 85 iirc […] It certainly wasn’t the web as we know it today, but it was the internet CompuServe got limited internet capability (basically, just connecting its on-platform mail to internet mail) in 1989, AOL did so in 1993. CompuServe (and Quantum/AOL and Delphi and Prodigy and…) were not the internet in any general sense, even though most of them and similar services connected to internet mail sometime between when CompuServe did in 1989 and when the web took over. > all at the blazing fast speeds of the time, 14.4kbps No one was doing 14.4kbps in the 1980s; the first modems at that speed were in 1991 or 1992. They would have largely been 2400bps from the mid-1980s; in the late 1980s there were some 9,600bps modems that were really expensive, but they weren’t standard and were rarely encountered.

bloomingkales 2y ago

The internet raised a lot of kids in the late 80s/90s, many were very intelligent, but became maladjusted from exposure to things on places like 4chan. The realist in me is focusing in on the first half of that sentence. The kids are going to get raised by something other than the parents. This will happen globally because no one wants to accept parenting globally has been and will continue to be inadequate. I’d rather many children in say, I don’t know, Afghanistan, get some guidance from an LLM.

trod1234 2y ago
This is a recipe for disaster wherever it might occur, no good can come from it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/12/10/character-ai-lawsuit-teen-kill-parents-texas/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/12/10/charact... LLMs are not people, only people know how to give guidance. LLMs are chaos and deceit simulacra, and kids are the least biologically capable of discerning omission and deceit especially prior to the age of reason where this isn't possible.

dragonwriter 2y ago

> The internet raised a lot of kids in the late 80s/90s The internet wasn’t really available to most of the public until after the advent of the web in 1994, it certainly wasn’t raising a lot of kids (even in the very loose sense of having some influence through being a medium of direct interaction for them while they were growing up) in the 1980s.

trod1234 2y ago
That is categorically untrue. The internet was available well before 94. AOL and Compuserve were available and provided access to quite a large number of people starting in 85 iirc, and by 89/90 their free month promotions targeting families made it cost effect for most (they sent out the CDs and bundled them with magazines everywhere, allowed creation of subaccounts, and many businesses reimbursed for the monthly costs as email was really catching on). It certainly wasn't the web as we know it today, but it was the internet with direct interaction in mailing lists, newsgroups, chat rooms, You've got emails, and other network connected services and even games in the form of muds, all at the blazing fast speeds of the time, 14.4kbps, and its now iconic connection handshake.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > AOL and Compuserve were available and provided access to quite a large number of people starting in 85 iirc […] It certainly wasn’t the web as we know it today, but it was the internet CompuServe got limited internet capability (basically, just connecting its on-platform mail to internet mail) in 1989, AOL did so in 1993. CompuServe (and Quantum/AOL and Delphi and Prodigy and…) were not the internet in any general sense, even though most of them and similar services connected to internet mail sometime between when CompuServe did in 1989 and when the web took over. > all at the blazing fast speeds of the time, 14.4kbps No one was doing 14.4kbps in the 1980s; the first modems at that speed were in 1991 or 1992. They would have largely been 2400bps from the mid-1980s; in the late 1980s there were some 9,600bps modems that were really expensive, but they weren’t standard and were rarely encountered.