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I don’t know much about Hyperbola (yet!), but I seem to agree with their stance on AI [1]. [1] https://www.hyperbola.info/news/hyperbola-declines-fsf-stance-re

I don’t know much about Hyperbola (yet!), but I seem to agree with their stance on AI [1]. [1] https://www.hyperbola.info/news/hyperbola-declines-fsf-stance-regarding-machine-learning/ https://www.hyperbola.info/news/hyperbola-declines-fsf-stanc...

juunpp 2y ago
The FSF's stance is still a WIP. Per this update: https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-is-working-on-freedom-in-machine-learning-applications https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-is-working-on-freedom-in-machin... > All software included in a free ML application has to offer every user the four freedoms that define free software. This applies to both the software that processes training data, and the software that interprets model parameters as context for prompts to produce human-usable output. This is necessary but not sufficient. Additionally, given our current understanding of ML applications, we believe that we cannot say a ML application is free unless all its training data and the related scripts for processing it respect all users, following the four freedoms.
aniviacat 2y ago
> Even when people are before asked if their data could be used for further evaluation and training within such systems, it is never clear what will happen in the end with their data. > Data should be only used occasion-related, nothing more and nothing less. > Users should be always able to decide what happens with their data and information I, the user, should be allowed to decide what happens with my information - but I'm not allowed to provide my data for things that aren't occasion-related. That makes no sense to me.
- getcrunk 2y ago
  I think the occasion related part is meant to be explicit about the default relationship. That doesn’t in anyway preclude you the user from deciding the occasion to be all the time. The point is you have to opt in to that actively

juunpp 2y ago

The FSF's stance is still a WIP. Per this update: https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-is-working-on-freedom-in-machine-learning-applications https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-is-working-on-freedom-in-machin... > All software included in a free ML application has to offer every user the four freedoms that define free software. This applies to both the software that processes training data, and the software that interprets model parameters as context for prompts to produce human-usable output. This is necessary but not sufficient. Additionally, given our current understanding of ML applications, we believe that we cannot say a ML application is free unless all its training data and the related scripts for processing it respect all users, following the four freedoms.

aniviacat 2y ago

> Even when people are before asked if their data could be used for further evaluation and training within such systems, it is never clear what will happen in the end with their data. > Data should be only used occasion-related, nothing more and nothing less. > Users should be always able to decide what happens with their data and information I, the user, should be allowed to decide what happens with my information - but I'm not allowed to provide my data for things that aren't occasion-related. That makes no sense to me.

getcrunk 2y ago
I think the occasion related part is meant to be explicit about the default relationship. That doesn’t in anyway preclude you the user from deciding the occasion to be all the time. The point is you have to opt in to that actively