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Fractional Jobs – Job Board for Fractional Work

125 points by bilsbie 2y ago

bretcindy 2y ago
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rqtwteye 2y ago
Seems "part time" would be a better name?
- beezle 2y ago
  fractional : pre-owned
- jtwaleson 2y ago
  Fractionals are typically senior++ that work part-time for a company. "Part time" can be any seniority level so it gives less information.
  - zerr 2y ago
    Is it really the case though? i.e. aren't there fractional interns or juniors?
    - jtwaleson 2y ago
      I've never seen one marketing themselves as that or a part-time position advertised as fractional. In my 2 year experience as a fractional CTO it's only "Head of" and C-level. Happy to stand corrected.
      - tbird24 2y ago
        [founder of https://fractionaljobs.io https://fractionaljobs.io here] You're generally correct, though people will certainly use the word fractional in a much more... how do we say... "aspirational" way, if you catch my drift.
      - zerr 2y ago
        Interesting, so no hands-on senior engineering "fractional" positions either? i.e. who actually build things.
        jtwaleson 2y ago
        CTOs come in all shapes or sizes. Some can (still) build things, others are very hands-off. Some fractionals are hired to actually design and build the first part of the system.
- tbird24 2y ago
  The word fractional implies a level of expertise / seniority. But yes, it's a fancy word for part-time.
xnx 2y ago
Only 17 jobs listed. How does this work? indeed.com filter for part-time and remote shows 20K+ jobs.
- adrianhon 2y ago
  If you fractionate them, that’s 1700 jobs
- designerbenny 2y ago
  If I may paraphrase “300” with some stylistic embellishments: - [Fractional], only 17 jobs listed. We thought your commitment would at least match our own. Indeed has 20k+ jobs. - Indeed opportunity 1, what is your status? - Unresponsive company. - And opportunity 2? - Fake role. - And you, opportunity 3? - Underpaying role - Fractional roles, what is your status? - Aoo, Aoo, Aoo. - See, Indeed. We did bring more actual roles to the table. (Allegedly, but 17 real roles is better than 20k fake or unresponsive ones).
  - tbird24 2y ago
    This is exactly correct :). I'm going to feature this comment in tomorrow's newsletter
- tbird24 2y ago
  [I'm the founder of https://fractionaljobs.io https://fractionaljobs.io] Fractional is not quite the same as part-time, so we do not post all part-time roles. Generally speaking, we filter for the following criteria: - Senior-level role, think 6+ years experience at least, but ideally 10+ - Compensation is likely $100 / hr or more - Within a common function area (Marketing, Finance, Engineering, etc.) Bottom line, these are the 17 we think are the best fits for our fractional community of 10,000+. Does that make sense?
cryptozeus 2y ago
This is a great start, clearly world is moving towards this.
neilv 2y ago
I skimmed their "12 minute read" about how it works, and didn't see this information: * How does Fractional Jobs (the company) get paid? (For example, do they only get paid to list an ad?) * Is Fractional Jobs involved at all, after initial contact between contractor and client is made? (For example, do FJ charge either parties a finder's fee or contract fee, or take an ongoing cut, or place restrictions on the relationship?)
- hipadev23 2y ago
  Like any job site, it costs to list postings. And once they amass a newsletter audience that’s something they can sell ads into.
  - tbird24 2y ago
    You are correct, though we actually don't charge for a job posting. Companies pay us a referral fee if they hire a candidate we send to them.
    - neilv 2y ago
      A search turned up this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qmx3RKPfDgqF9ivBJF6C3vwXfB7HY2kjjPnWksCjQ_Q/edit?tab=t.0 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qmx3RKPfDgqF9ivBJF6C3vwX... > The Referral Fee Experiment > For this job, we charge a 10% referral fee if you are hired by the company. > * 10% of revenue earned per month > * Paid every month, capped at 6 months > ** Note: this referral fee only applies to jobs where the referral fee is mentioned at the top of the job description. If the referral fee is not mentioned, it means there is no referral fee for that job. > How It Works > * We’ll calculate the expected monthly revenue from your contract > * 10% of that revenue is the referral fee > * We’ll charge you that referral fee for the first 6 months of the contract > * You’ll pay the referral fee AFTER you’re paid by the client Is this typical, or a direction you want to go? My concerns: 1. The means of enforcing that could get messy. (What do people have to sign? What if the company decides to outright hire the person? What are the reporting requirements? What's the headache if breaking off the engagement?) 2. As a consultant, I'd not be thrilled to pay anyone 10% off the top of gross revenue. Unless it's a matchmaker that really added value that made all the difference. (Not just happened to be a middleperson in making the connection through their site, rather than any number of other places it could've happened. Traditionally, a deep-pocketed employer who can't be bothered to find people itself would pay the random sourcers/recruiters.)
cj 2y ago
I have extensive experience hiring fractional talent at our company over the past 2 years (CMO, CFO, CTO). I’m currently spending $250k/yr on fractionals. To avoid disappointment 2-3 months into the engagement, my #1 recommendation is to have a very specific and well written statement of work that you mutually agree on so that it’s perfectly clear what your expectations of them are. When our fractionals didn’t work out, it was always because we had expectations that the fractional wasn’t able to live up to. And in hindsight, simply spelling out the work in a SOW would have avoided the misalignment. In general, there are a lot of fractionals who don’t like to roll their sleeves up to do real work. IME most fractionals could simply be described as “paid advisors”. For our company, when we’ve had fractionals not work out it was always because the fractional simply didn’t want to do anything other than join meetings and advise. Again, all solvable by simply having a clear SOW and making sure mutual expectations are clearly communicated. It’s extremely tempting to just engage a fractional because it’s easy and quick, especially when you’re desperate to get someone in the door. Don’t make that mistake and take your time.
- dave2299 2y ago
  Thanks for sharing. Any thoughts on hiring a fractional CTO? I’m a barely-technical founder, working w/ no code/low code tools like Airtable, Copilot for my product and services but want to outsource work and move towards more technical product but have been striking out trying to hire more technical people than I am directly and don’t want a cofounder. Where to find a fractional CTO, how to go about it, etc. thanks
  - bretcindy 2y ago
    [dead]
  - yehudabrick 2y ago
    I’m curious why you’ve been striking out? What seems to be the issue with the people you’re trying to hire. I’m looking to get into being a fractional CTO and would love to talk with you if you’re interested. You can reach me at the email in my profile.
  - deleted 2y ago
pickle-wizard 2y ago
This is a great start. I've been looking for part time work, so I signed up.
hobofan 2y ago
I think the crux is here (from their explanation post): > extract the most valuable 10 hours/week ... > ... don’t pay payroll taxes, don’t pay bonuses, and don’t need to offer benefits How they define a "fractional" is almost 1:1 the definition of false self-employment, which is illegal in many parts of Europe, as it fulfils all criteria of normal employment without any of the security for the employee and circumvention of paying for social safety.
- philip1209 2y ago
  Europe isn’t known for being progressive.
  - fastasucan 2y ago
    Not if you define progressive as allowing exploitation of people. But if you follow the normal definitions of the word it is.
    - ponector 2y ago
      And don't forget to put 25% progressive tip to everything! I've recently heard some people are paying tips to the collectors company who while paying minimum monthly payment to the debt. How progressive!
- jtwaleson 2y ago
  I'm a Fractional CTO in NL. We're quite a bit more expensive than regular employees or even freelancers (per hour), so I think they mention the lack of payroll taxes, bonuses etc to persuade companies that it's less expensive than it appears. We're still paying taxes, the only difference is that the client isn't paying for it, and maybe there is a bit of a discount for starters. As a fractional/freelancer, I enjoy the freedom and mutual expectation that I'm in this for the money and for the short term. (In my case it gives me the resources to bootstrap my own product company). In NL the regulations for false self-employment (enforcement kicks in January 1st) is primarily aimed at low-wage jobs like meal delivery etc. High paid professionals with multiple clients per week (like most fractionals are) are not the target.
welder 2y ago
I'm building something similar, but to find remote contact jobs instead of fractional work: https://wonderful.dev https://wonderful.dev
- seabass-labrax 2y ago
  The issue with displaying statistics to potential employers is that they can easily be gamed or even falsified. If your site really takes off, you'll have to be careful that it is not inundated with 'developers' whose contributions include renaming str_name to name_str in a thousand repositories. Cf. https://blog.domenic.me/hacktoberfest/ https://blog.domenic.me/hacktoberfest/ and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24643894 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24643894
TZubiri 2y ago
What's the difference between engineering and product?
- tbird24 2y ago
  [Founder of https://fractionaljobs.io https://fractionaljobs.io here] Engineering = Software Engineers through CTOs, Product = Product Managers through CPOs. And other nuances, like Engineering will also capture Security roles too.
tbird24 2y ago
So cool! Founder of https://fractionaljobs.io https://fractionaljobs.io here, bilsbie thanks for posting this. If anyone has questions about Fractional Jobs, fractional work, etc. lmk and I'll do my best to answer all of them.
paespiza 2y ago
I’ve applied to a couple of jobs on that platform and I really like that there’s always feedback from the platform or hiring manager
- tbird24 2y ago
  Happy to hear it, we put a lot of work into closing the loop with everyone.
Gamemaster1379 2y ago
First I've heard of fractional roles. Is there any loose guidelines of what level of experience is required to break into the space? I've been doing software for about a decade now. But I'm still (relatively) young. I do feel I have good breadth though and could provide value to a fledgling company to move in the right direction.

125 points by bilsbie 2y ago

Cheating can be so disgusting and painful, I know, because I have had my own shared taste of it, endless thoughts and ideas didn’t help much until I concluded on keeping a tab on my man. I was lucky to get one of the best Pi out there. I contacted him to help investigate his phone and PC, retrieving all his external interactions with other women, I got all his call logs, text messages, emails, current and deleted messages on Facebook, WhatsApp, Skype and other social media accounts. He also helped me retrieve a couple of videos and discrete websites where he met other women. We broke up. I would have suffered more pain if I hadn’t met a professional Pi with Fast delivery and negligible service charge. Email: tomcyberghost@gmail.com Text/Call & WhatsApp +1404941-6785.

rqtwteye 2y ago

Seems "part time" would be a better name?

beezle 2y ago
fractional : pre-owned
jtwaleson 2y ago
Fractionals are typically senior++ that work part-time for a company. "Part time" can be any seniority level so it gives less information.
- zerr 2y ago
  Is it really the case though? i.e. aren't there fractional interns or juniors?
  - jtwaleson 2y ago
    I've never seen one marketing themselves as that or a part-time position advertised as fractional. In my 2 year experience as a fractional CTO it's only "Head of" and C-level. Happy to stand corrected.
    - tbird24 2y ago
      [founder of https://fractionaljobs.io https://fractionaljobs.io here] You're generally correct, though people will certainly use the word fractional in a much more... how do we say... "aspirational" way, if you catch my drift.
    - zerr 2y ago
      Interesting, so no hands-on senior engineering "fractional" positions either? i.e. who actually build things.
      - jtwaleson 2y ago
        CTOs come in all shapes or sizes. Some can (still) build things, others are very hands-off. Some fractionals are hired to actually design and build the first part of the system.
tbird24 2y ago
The word fractional implies a level of expertise / seniority. But yes, it's a fancy word for part-time.

xnx 2y ago

Only 17 jobs listed. How does this work? indeed.com filter for part-time and remote shows 20K+ jobs.

adrianhon 2y ago
If you fractionate them, that’s 1700 jobs
designerbenny 2y ago
If I may paraphrase “300” with some stylistic embellishments: - [Fractional], only 17 jobs listed. We thought your commitment would at least match our own. Indeed has 20k+ jobs. - Indeed opportunity 1, what is your status? - Unresponsive company. - And opportunity 2? - Fake role. - And you, opportunity 3? - Underpaying role - Fractional roles, what is your status? - Aoo, Aoo, Aoo. - See, Indeed. We did bring more actual roles to the table. (Allegedly, but 17 real roles is better than 20k fake or unresponsive ones).
- tbird24 2y ago
  This is exactly correct :). I'm going to feature this comment in tomorrow's newsletter
tbird24 2y ago
[I'm the founder of https://fractionaljobs.io https://fractionaljobs.io] Fractional is not quite the same as part-time, so we do not post all part-time roles. Generally speaking, we filter for the following criteria: - Senior-level role, think 6+ years experience at least, but ideally 10+ - Compensation is likely $100 / hr or more - Within a common function area (Marketing, Finance, Engineering, etc.) Bottom line, these are the 17 we think are the best fits for our fractional community of 10,000+. Does that make sense?

cryptozeus 2y ago

This is a great start, clearly world is moving towards this.

neilv 2y ago

I skimmed their "12 minute read" about how it works, and didn't see this information: * How does Fractional Jobs (the company) get paid? (For example, do they only get paid to list an ad?) * Is Fractional Jobs involved at all, after initial contact between contractor and client is made? (For example, do FJ charge either parties a finder's fee or contract fee, or take an ongoing cut, or place restrictions on the relationship?)

hipadev23 2y ago
Like any job site, it costs to list postings. And once they amass a newsletter audience that’s something they can sell ads into.
- tbird24 2y ago
  You are correct, though we actually don't charge for a job posting. Companies pay us a referral fee if they hire a candidate we send to them.
  - neilv 2y ago
    A search turned up this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qmx3RKPfDgqF9ivBJF6C3vwXfB7HY2kjjPnWksCjQ_Q/edit?tab=t.0 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qmx3RKPfDgqF9ivBJF6C3vwX... > The Referral Fee Experiment > For this job, we charge a 10% referral fee if you are hired by the company. > * 10% of revenue earned per month > * Paid every month, capped at 6 months > ** Note: this referral fee only applies to jobs where the referral fee is mentioned at the top of the job description. If the referral fee is not mentioned, it means there is no referral fee for that job. > How It Works > * We’ll calculate the expected monthly revenue from your contract > * 10% of that revenue is the referral fee > * We’ll charge you that referral fee for the first 6 months of the contract > * You’ll pay the referral fee AFTER you’re paid by the client Is this typical, or a direction you want to go? My concerns: 1. The means of enforcing that could get messy. (What do people have to sign? What if the company decides to outright hire the person? What are the reporting requirements? What's the headache if breaking off the engagement?) 2. As a consultant, I'd not be thrilled to pay anyone 10% off the top of gross revenue. Unless it's a matchmaker that really added value that made all the difference. (Not just happened to be a middleperson in making the connection through their site, rather than any number of other places it could've happened. Traditionally, a deep-pocketed employer who can't be bothered to find people itself would pay the random sourcers/recruiters.)

cj 2y ago

I have extensive experience hiring fractional talent at our company over the past 2 years (CMO, CFO, CTO). I’m currently spending $250k/yr on fractionals. To avoid disappointment 2-3 months into the engagement, my #1 recommendation is to have a very specific and well written statement of work that you mutually agree on so that it’s perfectly clear what your expectations of them are. When our fractionals didn’t work out, it was always because we had expectations that the fractional wasn’t able to live up to. And in hindsight, simply spelling out the work in a SOW would have avoided the misalignment. In general, there are a lot of fractionals who don’t like to roll their sleeves up to do real work. IME most fractionals could simply be described as “paid advisors”. For our company, when we’ve had fractionals not work out it was always because the fractional simply didn’t want to do anything other than join meetings and advise. Again, all solvable by simply having a clear SOW and making sure mutual expectations are clearly communicated. It’s extremely tempting to just engage a fractional because it’s easy and quick, especially when you’re desperate to get someone in the door. Don’t make that mistake and take your time.

dave2299 2y ago
Thanks for sharing. Any thoughts on hiring a fractional CTO? I’m a barely-technical founder, working w/ no code/low code tools like Airtable, Copilot for my product and services but want to outsource work and move towards more technical product but have been striking out trying to hire more technical people than I am directly and don’t want a cofounder. Where to find a fractional CTO, how to go about it, etc. thanks
- bretcindy 2y ago
  [dead]
- yehudabrick 2y ago
  I’m curious why you’ve been striking out? What seems to be the issue with the people you’re trying to hire. I’m looking to get into being a fractional CTO and would love to talk with you if you’re interested. You can reach me at the email in my profile.
- deleted 2y ago

pickle-wizard 2y ago

This is a great start. I've been looking for part time work, so I signed up.

hobofan 2y ago

I think the crux is here (from their explanation post): > extract the most valuable 10 hours/week ... > ... don’t pay payroll taxes, don’t pay bonuses, and don’t need to offer benefits How they define a "fractional" is almost 1:1 the definition of false self-employment, which is illegal in many parts of Europe, as it fulfils all criteria of normal employment without any of the security for the employee and circumvention of paying for social safety.

philip1209 2y ago
Europe isn’t known for being progressive.
- fastasucan 2y ago
  Not if you define progressive as allowing exploitation of people. But if you follow the normal definitions of the word it is.
  - ponector 2y ago
    And don't forget to put 25% progressive tip to everything! I've recently heard some people are paying tips to the collectors company who while paying minimum monthly payment to the debt. How progressive!
jtwaleson 2y ago
I'm a Fractional CTO in NL. We're quite a bit more expensive than regular employees or even freelancers (per hour), so I think they mention the lack of payroll taxes, bonuses etc to persuade companies that it's less expensive than it appears. We're still paying taxes, the only difference is that the client isn't paying for it, and maybe there is a bit of a discount for starters. As a fractional/freelancer, I enjoy the freedom and mutual expectation that I'm in this for the money and for the short term. (In my case it gives me the resources to bootstrap my own product company). In NL the regulations for false self-employment (enforcement kicks in January 1st) is primarily aimed at low-wage jobs like meal delivery etc. High paid professionals with multiple clients per week (like most fractionals are) are not the target.

welder 2y ago

I'm building something similar, but to find remote contact jobs instead of fractional work: https://wonderful.dev https://wonderful.dev

seabass-labrax 2y ago
The issue with displaying statistics to potential employers is that they can easily be gamed or even falsified. If your site really takes off, you'll have to be careful that it is not inundated with 'developers' whose contributions include renaming str_name to name_str in a thousand repositories. Cf. https://blog.domenic.me/hacktoberfest/ https://blog.domenic.me/hacktoberfest/ and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24643894 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24643894

TZubiri 2y ago

What's the difference between engineering and product?

tbird24 2y ago
[Founder of https://fractionaljobs.io https://fractionaljobs.io here] Engineering = Software Engineers through CTOs, Product = Product Managers through CPOs. And other nuances, like Engineering will also capture Security roles too.

tbird24 2y ago

So cool! Founder of https://fractionaljobs.io https://fractionaljobs.io here, bilsbie thanks for posting this. If anyone has questions about Fractional Jobs, fractional work, etc. lmk and I'll do my best to answer all of them.

paespiza 2y ago

I’ve applied to a couple of jobs on that platform and I really like that there’s always feedback from the platform or hiring manager

tbird24 2y ago
Happy to hear it, we put a lot of work into closing the loop with everyone.

Gamemaster1379 2y ago

First I've heard of fractional roles. Is there any loose guidelines of what level of experience is required to break into the space? I've been doing software for about a decade now. But I'm still (relatively) young. I do feel I have good breadth though and could provide value to a fledgling company to move in the right direction.