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That’s No Phone. That’s My Tracker.
- _delirium 14y agoI've been not carrying a phone with me lately, not because of tracking fears, but out of a sort of experiment to see if I really need to be connected in the relatively short distances between my laptop having a wifi connection (which it has at home, at the office, in coffee shops, on trains, etc.). I suppose avoiding this dragnet is a nice bonus, but I wonder how long it'll be until not carrying a phone gets registered as somehow suspicious in itself.
- aashay 14y agoWhat are your plans in case of emergencies?
- _delirium 14y agoWhat kinds of emergencies? I live in a pretty densely populated city, so there are basically always people around. I guess I'd just yell for help in the worst case? But if I'm not literally incapacitated in a gutter, I'd walk to the nearest police station, hospital, metro station, or 24-hour 7/11. Or knock on an apartment door to request help. What I find strange about this (common) question is that nobody seems to remember what they did before mobile phones. I got my first mobile phone in 2001, but it's not like I was chained to my house from birth until 2001. I admit I might be more wary if I lived in a suburban or rural area where I could end up broken down in a car miles from civilization. Then a phone is a nice backup.
- graue 14y agoEven in a sparsely populated area, you could keep your phone in your car, turned off, and just turn it on if you did have an emergency.
- grecy 14y ago...While paying for it the whole time.
- pfraze 14y agoPrepaid phone?
- grecy 14y agoMinutes always expire. You are forced to buy a certain amount every few months.
- maxerickson 14y agoTmobile prepaid is $100 a year. The $0.10 minutes that come with that aren't especially competitive with other prepaid services. I'm not sure they will activate a phone everywhere. But the 'have a working phone' baseline isn't all that inconvenient or all that expensive.
- grecy 14y agoWe don't all live in a country that has T Mobile
- octotoad 14y agoYou're still 'paying for it the whole time' regardless of whether the phone is turned on or off, assuming you're on a plan. The phone simply being turned on doesn't equate to more calls being made. Like the parent said, turn it on when you need it.
- grecy 14y agoMy point is that if you don't have one at all, you pay nothing.
- graue 14y ago
- eps 14y agoEmergencies like your parents having a heart attack. When someone needs to reach you quickly, not the other way around.
- bigiain 14y agoWhile I'd appreciate being notified if a parent has a heart attack, there's a whole bunch of more important people that need to be called before me - get them an ambulance before you call me - and, truth is, there's very little I could do in terms of "emergency response" anyway. I can't off-hand think of anything where contacting me personally would be required in an "emergency situation", if it's really an "emergency" there's probably better qualified people to call. This is colored by my situation, I'm not a parent, I'm not the sole decision maker for anything mission critical (either personally or professionally). I'd be sad (or sadder) if my Mum or Dad died and I missed out on saying goodbye because nobody could contact me immediately, but they live 5hrs away from me so that's a pretty unlikely scenario. I'm kinda "at peace" with spending time "uncontactable" anyway, I spend at least an hour a day (and sometimes 8 or 10 hours) on a motorcycle - where I might feel my phone ringing in my pocket, but I don't answer it until I've got to where I'm going and stopped the bike. I also treat the phone the same way in movies/restaurants/gigs/meetings, and often while deep in something complicated at work. Personally, I don't buy into the idea that my phone is so other people can reliably contact me immediately in case of emergency. When work wants that, it's called "on-call" and they pay me for it. In my personal life, I answer my phone if and when it suits me, and I'm not enslaved to anybody who happens to have my number.
- ersii 14y agoThis is the healthiest view I've seen in the comments for this article - so far. I've found out that most times when I "urgently" want to get a hold of someone - leaving a well thought out message works out just as fine.
- ktizo 14y agoThis is only an issue because it is possible and as a result we are infantilising ourselves. If you cannot be contacted over something that you would find important, this is not a tragedy, even if the circumstances are tragic. Before telephones, people would still travel all over the world and would only find out things like this by letter, sometimes months after the event.
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- grecy 14y agoAt what point did that question become relevant to every facet of life? I honestly can't believe it when people ask that question. It's such a scare tactic.
- aashay 14y agoFWIW my question wasn't meant to be a scare tactic. I genuinely wanted to know what the plan was in case of emergencies. I suppose I could have (and should have, since HN seems to value explicitness and literalism) elaborated to avoid assumption and/or presumption.
- danso 14y ago...when you have kids and attempt to live a life away from home?
- grecy 14y agoI've been out of my home country for > 6 years, have lived and worked in 3 countries in that time, and spent 2 years driving through 16 more. Does that qualify?
- ineedtosleep 14y agoRight, and it's not like the people who somehow existed before cell phone technology magically perished because of these supposed emergencies. We are not helpless creatures here, sheesh.
- hkmurakami 14y agoThis is how I get by without having a smartphone. My friends have given me a hard time since I tend to forget my phone at home more often than I forget my laptop at home.
- graue 14y agoYou could also turn off 3G/4G and calls on your smartphone, but keep wifi. I just tried this on my Android ICS phone and it's pretty easy to accomplish. Enable airplane mode — which will disable calls, data and wifi — then re-enable wifi. The device can't text or call, but loading websites works. By itself, at least for me, this would probably really limit my social life. I'd miss spontaneous texts and calls like "I'm in your neighborhood, want to grab tea?" But I wonder if this airplane mode trick, plus a VoIP app, plus some kind of internet-based text message replacement, might solve the problem. Has anyone tried this?
- recursive 14y agoYou can probably still be located by wifi access point.
- graue 14y agoHow would that work? Are you suggesting 3+ of the access points within range working together to triangulate me, and saving that information, along with the phone's MAC address or similar?
- TheGateKeeper 14y agoIt is laughable, isn't it? If they're needing wifi to triangulate you chances are they already know where you are anyways.
- bigiain 14y agoHmmm. If I were a "cut-the-corners to the borders of being bent" cop (al la McNulty from Wired), I'd consider dropping cheap access points around places where I'd like to know if my "suspects" frequented, with SSIDs that matched local free wifi sources so that if a target had ever connected to the free wifi at the local McDonalds or Starbucks, their phone might automatically hook up to my "cloned" version of those hotspots. You'd be able to capture mac addresses from connection attempts, or being a little more evil - you could log any resulting traffic (and mitm ssl connections too, I wonder how many smartphone email/IM/socialnetwork apps do strong certificate checking?)
- grecy 14y agoI've not had a cell phone at all in 6 years. My last one was the veritable Nokia 5110. There is no doubt it inconvenient at times, but on the whole, I find my life better without one. I think of them like cable TV - you're paying money for something to keep you in the daily grind of going to work, an you don't actually need it.
- acabal 14y agoI haven't had a phone for something like 3 or 4 years. (I did briefly have a Nokia brick that I used maybe once or twice to make calls, but mostly as an alarm clock without a sim card.) I spend a lot of time working at my laptop all day, and I don't want another full-blown computer in my pocket to suck my attention when I'm away from my laptop. Typically when I'm away from my laptop I'm busy with something--taking a walk in the park, drinking with frinds--that I don't want interrupted. I also find that I can live perfectly fine without calls. I schedule things in advance with my girlfriend/friends, and email is enough for that. Maybe there's been one or two times in the past few years where I've really truly needed a phone (and I can't remember a specific case, but I assume there must have been such a time!).
- niels_olson 14y agoIn network parlance, isn't a general processor a "node"?
- bloody_pretzels 14y agoNode is a really nice word for what the article describes. The word "tracker" doesn't roll off the tongue very well and I think it suffers from the same flaw that the article criticizes about "phone", namely that it focuses on a specific aspect of a multi-purpose device. Node seems a much better choice since it connotes all the important aspects of a smart phone: - Connection to a network for the purpose of information sharing - Being identifiable and addressable - Processing capabilities If we choose to find a more suitable name, I'd suggest maybe "Personal Node" or "Smart Node".
- bigiain 14y agoI think the problem is they're not a "personal node", they're nodes working for Apple or Google or your telco. The idea of "node-ness" carries connotations (at least to me) of being more useful as part of a network than as individual devices - and that's way more true for the people/organisations with access to data from the whole network of nodes, than the owner/operator of a singe node. I wonder if Google are collecting geo-spacial data about your social graph? I suspect they could, if they wanted to, work out which section of your online social network are people you meet in real life, and which are people you only interact with on-line?
- bloody_pretzels 14y agoIf I didn't misunderstand, you're suggesting that "node" carries the idea of being an autonomous entity that connects to a neutral network (i.e. no node is more privileged than any other). In that case a more accurate term might be "slave node" as opposed to the master nodes operated by carriers which control and monitor the communication flow. But I think that's a subjective view. The internet also has privileged nodes which could be used to monitor and control the network or individual nodes. "Tracker" simply ignores all the service aspects of the device and focuses on a single use for one of the parties involved (costumer, carrier, manufacturer). In that respects it is just as misleading a term as "phone".
- ChuckMcM 14y agoI'm surprised no one has mentioned putting the phone in a foil pouch. As 'antenna-gate' demonstrated it doesn't take a whole lot to make a phone unable to connect, with a conductive foil pouch you can put your phone in it and no matter what it is not sending out any info about you, but you can easily pull it out and use it. The other thing they don't mention is disinformation. Phones do not use the encrypted GPS channel, they use the regular one. And spoofing it can make you phone think it is somewhere that it isn't. Cell tower data screws with that (since if you cross correlate to cell tower pings you end up with conflicting data sets) but within the range of a tower its eminently doable. The recent 'drone hijack' example had an idea of how much it costs ($1K) to build a reasonably high powered GPS spoofer, to spoof the phone in your pocket would take a very small one (and no sense screwing up your neighbors phone right?). All we need are a couple of cases where the cell phone data "proves" you weren't in the area of a crime and blam!
- mahyarm 14y agoIt's actually hard & somewhat expensive to buy a foil pouch that cuts of signal completely. I've bought a $20 one to simulate cellular cut off situations, and it didn't work reliably.
- troymc 14y agoMaybe try wrapping your phone in tinfoil? If that doesn't work, maybe try two layers. And if that doesn't work, perhaps you could also try a tinfoil hat.
- mahyarm 14y agoTinfoil doesn't work at all, since the stuff sold in stores today is actually aluminium foil and doesn't block radio signals. Go try it with your phone, use the entire roll, you'll see pretty quickly it doesn't do much. I bought the pouch for software development reasons, not paranoia. One that works properly is something around $100 dollars. Leaving your phone in that kind of pouch is actually not that great for battery life, since I think the phone searches for towers on full radio strength. It's better just to activate airplane mode.
- comex 14y agoSubjecting a real problem to faintly ridiculous exaggeration and paranoia does not help. (I'm not sure whether to be surprised this made it into the New York Times or not.) > Thanks to the explosion of GPS technology and smartphone apps, these devices are also taking note of what we buy, where and when we buy it, how much money we have in the bank, whom we text and e-mail, what Web sites we visit, how and where we travel, what time we go to sleep and wake up — and more. Much of that data is shared with companies that use it to offer us services they think we want. I have never heard of purchase history, bank balance, alarm clock settings (??? perhaps it refers to carriers supposedly tracking waking hours based on usage? that would make more sense, but is no different from dumb phones), or website history being tracked by anyone through a smartphone. "Whom we text" is tracked, but "whom we email" is worth highlighting as an item that cannot be tracked by a carrier without installing malware onto your phone, assuming you use encrypted email. (The credit card company is tracking your purchases, and email providers may be tracking your email, depending on privacy policy, whether you're using a smartphone or not, but that's irrelevant. I guess if you count Gmail's algorithms reading email to offer services "they think we want"... I don't.) > Scholars have called them minicomputers and robots. Everyone is struggling to find the right tag, because “cellphone” and “smartphone” are inadequate. That "phone" doesn't adequately describe modern smartphones is a valid point, but has literally nothing to do with tracking. > Eben Moglen, a law professor at Columbia University, argues that they are robots for which we — the proud owners — are merely the hands and feet. “They see everything, they’re aware of our position, our relationship to other human beings and other robots, they mediate an information stream around us,” he has said. Colorful, but ridiculously vague. There are many different types of information and they are all stored differently. With the possible exception of Facebook, there is no entity that sits up high reading all your stuff without a court order, and if you want to have completely secure conversations through email or other means it's easy to do so. > A recent survey by O2, a British cell carrier, showed that making calls is the fifth-most-popular activity for smartphones; more popular uses are Web browsing, checking social networks, playing games and listening to music. Smartphones are taking over the functions that laptops, cameras, credit cards and watches once performed for us. Also irrelevant to tracking. > Turning it off when you’re not using it will also help, because it will cease pinging your location to the cell company, but are you really going to do that? Shutting it down does not even guarantee it’s off — malware can keep it on without your realizing it. The only way to be sure is to take out the battery. Guess what? If you have an iPhone, you will need a tiny screwdriver to remove the back cover. Doing that will void your warranty. If you are really concerned about malware preventing you from turning off your iPhone, you can hold down the home and power buttons to turn it off without going through software. > “Don’t have a cellphone or just accept that you’re living in the Panopticon.” A third alternative is to wear a tinfoil hat which will stop all the tracking??? > There is another option. People could call them trackers. Okay but if hackers start hijacking peoples' sessions can we start calling them tracker-jackers? Edit: Or more to the point - this is like calling all passerby "government agents" because they can be required to testify in court.
- forgottenpaswrd 14y agoWell, there is another option: Have an open software and hardware phone that you know what it does and how it does it when you want it. Eventually it will happen.
- aes256 14y agoThat's not really the point. Having total control over your own phone doesn't resolve the more fundamental problem that, in order to do basic tasks such as make calls or send text messages, you are dependent on a cell phone provier who then, through ordinary usage, is able to collect a terrifying amount of data about you. They can triangulate your location whenever your phone is on and connected to their network (24/7 for most people), and have a full record of your calls, text messages, as well as all the data you send through their network.
- lurker14 14y agoThe Times is On It! https://twitter.com/NYTOnIt https://twitter.com/NYTOnIt