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Ruby Video – On a mission to index all Ruby conferences

289 points by faebi 2y ago

mykowebhn 2y ago
This conference ended years ago, but really glad to see GoGaRuCo in there
voodooEntity 2y ago
So first of all its a very cool project even tho i don't code ruby. But in case the author of the page is in here, please read the following: Some years ago i had a similar idea, just instead of ruby-cons i went for defcon videos. I build a page that indexed all defcon talks and even tried to categorize them in terms of topics and difficulty. Added a nice search, and put it out as "defcon.video". It didn't take google long to message me and tell me i had to take it down because its actually forbidden to host an alternative search index if you are using the youtube API. You are not allowed to store the results of youtube API (longer than 24hours if i remember) and as stated before not allowed to offer an alternate search. While you might argue: why didn't you just state that you don't use the api to grab the data and shutoff the token usage : well because google is not really known to be friendly and i expected them to just close down my whole developer account if i don't follow. So - in case not all the videos are hand inserted (and even then they might come at you) google definatly will reach out to you and try to force you down. Back when it happend to me i didn't have the time and patience to fight them back so defcon.video was shutdown. Best of luck tho
- freedomben 2y ago
  > well because google is not really known to be friendly and i expected them to just close down my whole developer account if i don't follow. and if their algorithm is in a bad mood that day, they'll shut down your personal account(s) as well, and possibly adjacent accounts. Hope you don't rely on personal email or Google Photos or Android if that happens. This nuke-somebodys-life-from-orbit capability of such a gigantic company is IMHO one of the best arguments for regulatory limits on company size/scope. That's obviously easier said than done and comes with a whole column of cons, but the power imbalance is so unbelievably great and the reach so deep that in some cases I'd rather be on the wrong side of the state than on the wrong side of Google.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - voodooEntity 2y ago
    Well that's the reason why im running my private mailserver and the only thing im using google for is actual google services. I always wondered why people would just give all their personal information to google in terms of mail and files (convenience i know but still..). But than you see the posts of "google just shutdown my account without any reasoning and i lost everything help!!" here on hackernews and you know exactly why you don't use google for anything but their services.
  - giancarlostoro 2y ago
    I tell people I left Google because of all the weird amount of data harvesting, and they always argue Apple's not any better, but I rarely hear of someone losing their iCloud to the level I hear of people losing their Google Account which is glued to too many damn things. At this point I assume the only way Google will ever fix their ridiculous ban process is if someone passes a law that forces them to separate these comingled services from losing you access to your email, and essentially in some cases your personal business.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
  What is different about https://pyvideo.org/ https://pyvideo.org/ ? That one has been running for many years.
  - vinceguidry 2y ago
    Appears to be user-curated instead of sourced from the YouTube API.
    - 0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
      I guess give every API response a LLM laundering and there you go.
- marcoroth 2y ago
  The talks are all indexed manually and are stored in yaml files, see: https://github.com/adrienpoly/rubyvideo/tree/main/data https://github.com/adrienpoly/rubyvideo/tree/main/data. We are just embedding the video using vlite.js and the YouTube Video ID (which is just embedding an official iframe in the end). So there isn't really an account to "shut down", unless I'm missing something.
  - voodooEntity 2y ago
    That sounds good :) tbh i didn't have the time to check your source. So lets hope google understands it and does not herras you :)!
- freetonik 2y ago
  Oh... I am currently working on building a curated collection of YouTube channels, with custom search index. Thank you for sharing this, I guess I can't continue. It's a shame.
DaveMcMartin 2y ago
I feel much more productive with Ruby on Rails than any other solution
nonconstant 2y ago
I'm super grateful to folks for this. It's one of my favorite websites now.
ferfumarma 2y ago
I love this! Such a cool idea, and such a great resource.
zb3 2y ago
I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought this was a new video generation model announcement after reading those first two words..
rashidae 2y ago
How do you do the indexing? Could you share how you do it?
- marcoroth 2y ago
  It's all manual, but we have a few scripts that help us extract data from the YouTube API.
jpcamara 2y ago
Such a fantastic resource
postatic 2y ago
This looks awesome and the site looks like it’s custom built. For anyone looking for a tool I’ve been using Pyro (https://www.pyro.app https://www.pyro.app) to collect startup pitch videos (https://video.heystartup.com https://video.heystartup.com)
- compootr 2y ago
  nice ad for pyro.app but yt-dlp + .txt files are free, offline, and will work forever¹ regardless of the operators' wallets. 1: notwithstanding storage degradation, but I trust myself more than this platform
ciberado 2y ago
Ruby on Reels! :D Great effort, thanks. I wish there were more sites like this, devoted to particular topics that proved to be valuable enough to be presented in a public talk. I currently use YouTube for this a lot (like most people, I guess). But sadly, count(views) is not always correlated to quality.
kemiller 2y ago
Is it just me, or is Ruby experiencing a renaissance of sorts? There has been a bunch of positive press, and the community seems more active and vibrant than ever?
- yboulkaid 2y ago
  It's not just you. From one of the main contributors to Ruby Video[0]: 2024 is the year with the most Ruby talks in a single year, ever! This is the first time we beat the previous all-time record from 2015! Ruby is so back! [0]: https://ruby.social/@marcoroth/113665539397868492 https://ruby.social/@marcoroth/113665539397868492
- ksec 2y ago
  What people used to like about Rails, those haven't changed and it is also much better than before. ( Would still want more on Auth ) Hotwire, with Turbo. It has been improved and used in production for quite some time. This also got boosted a lot with JS front end fatigue. Performance. Even by default Ruby 3.4 is quite a lot faster than 2.x era. But with YJIT it is in some cases nearly double and ~30-50% faster in Rails. Whatever performance issues there used to be? We will have 256 Core Server in next 12 months, or 512 CPU Core in Dual Socket Setup. CPU Core is getting cheaper and faster. I always like to say Ruby is the only Top programming language that doesn't have a big tech backer behind it. And it only recently found one. Shopify could now single handedly sustain the whole Ruby Rails ecosystem. It also means the whole ecosystem gets a lot more resources than it used to. ( YJIT is from Shopify )
  - weaksauce 2y ago
    they are also spearheading the ruby-lsp and rails-lsp gems and vscode extension which are in heavy development and getting better by the day. it’s a shame that github, gitlab, airbnb et al aren’t doing more for the ruby ecosystem that they have benefitted from.
- Alifatisk 2y ago
  Yupp, been saying the same. I think the Ruby Team did the right thing to focus on performance for Ruby 3.
batesy 2y ago
Wow this is fantastic. Stealing some ideas from this.
rossta 2y ago
Some extra notes: Ruby Video is a Rails application backed by SQLite, its frontend powered by Hotwire. It is open source on GitHub. I’d consider the repo a great resource for anyone looking to learn more about how modern Rails apps are built. https://github.com/adrienpoly/rubyvideo https://github.com/adrienpoly/rubyvideo https://hotwired.dev/ https://hotwired.dev/
pugio 2y ago
Really nice to see a deployed modern Rails site. I just recently decided to try Rails 8 out for a side-project of mine (Paranoia RPG virtual table top) and had a generally pleasant experience. The biggest pain point was the lack of Grade A documentation for the best way to use ActionCable and Turbo – information is spread out between Rails Guides, API docs, and then the Turbo / Stimulus documentation. The actual API docs do a poor job of explaining basic concepts like "streamables", and I kept wondering if I was doing things the "right"/idiomatic way. Still, as always, ActiveRecord is my biggest draw for Rails, and the new first-class Sqlite integrations are a huge draw for me. I've yet to find an ORM that allows me to be anywhere near as productive.
- ksec 2y ago
  Anyone know what are they using for Analytics? Edit: Search is nice as well. >>Really nice to see a deployed modern Rails site. Yes. And it is also a showcase what I want for 90-95% of the web. Useful as an example next time we have yet another MPA vs SPA or SSR vs CSR argument. It doesn't need to be a complex SPA. Although I must admit the response time isn't perfect even with Cloudflare.
  - pauillac 2y ago
    analytics is built with ahoy https://github.com/ankane/ahoy https://github.com/ankane/ahoy. the project is open source if you need more details https://github.com/adrienpoly/rubyvideo https://github.com/adrienpoly/rubyvideo Hosting is in Europe on Hetzner maybe it explains your response time. Where are you located? what are the response time you are getting ?
    - ksec 2y ago
      Right now in Hong Kong, getting about 240 - 260ms RTT. It is probably good enough for 95% of people. I am what I call latency sensitive. But I think the main culprit is surprisingly view transition isn't as good as I thought. Because the slight lag / jank I feel happens on Chrome. While I dont feel this on Firefox or Safari 17.6 which isn't supported yet.
gregates 2y ago
Still sad that the one ruby conference I spoke at — Steel City Ruby way back in 2014 — left behind no video recordings due to a mixup between the conference organizers and the venue staff.
- marcoroth 2y ago
  That's unfortunate... but we can still index the talks from Steel City Ruby, I just added it to the TODO list! But hey, maybe you get to speak at another Ruby conference in 2025!
pilaf 2y ago
What a great resource, thanks to whoever put this together. To anyone who enjoys contorting the language to make it do weird things for fun, quines, and those sort of things, I really recommend Tomoya Ishida's talk at RubyKaigi 2024. It's in Japanese, but there are subtitles, and the slides speak for themselves. Some of the more whimsical uses of Ruby I've seen in a while. Keyword to peak your interest: animated quines. https://www.rubyvideo.dev/talks/keynote-writing-weird-code https://www.rubyvideo.dev/talks/keynote-writing-weird-code https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6QGq5uGhgU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6QGq5uGhgU
izik 2y ago
I was wondering if the same type application exists for Python and there is similar: pyvideo [1] [1] https://pyvideo.org/ https://pyvideo.org/
- emmanueloga_ 2y ago
  It is similar, but try this: * Open https://pyvideo.org/speakers.html https://pyvideo.org/speakers.html and scroll down to the bottom. * Open https://www.rubyvideo.dev/speakers https://www.rubyvideo.dev/speakers and do the same thing. The Python page loads instantly, while the Ruby page makes several requests before fully loading. Ironically, it seems to be utilizing a rails feature called "turbo streams".
  - hombre_fatal 2y ago
    Yet it took five seconds for the pyvideo list to filter once I clicked a letter “G” while the rubyvideo site was instant.
    - pauillac 2y ago
      yes this is exactly the idea all page remains fast even if we need to list 5k speakers on that page
      - weaksauce 2y ago
        one thing you can do to make the speaker list more performant and seamless is to load the next list of speakers when the scroll gets to some value near the end of the list and also pull a few more speakers in each fetch.
- pauillac 2y ago
  This was actually an inspiration when the project started
searls 2y ago
I was tickled to scroll down and see my own stupid avatar. Claimed my profile and wrote a note. Thank you so much to everyone in the Ruby community. I spoke at conferences around the world for 13 years, made a ton of friends, and officially retired from speaking at Rails World in Toronto back in September. Some of the best people I've ever met, and the community transformed my life and career.
- tmcdonald 2y ago
  Hey Justin - this is probably one of my favourite talks! https://testdouble.com/insights/the-selfish-programmer https://testdouble.com/insights/the-selfish-programmer Was lucky to be at the conference when you gave it and it's stuck in my head since. When I'm struggling for motivation or my side projects seem to be just too big I give it another watch.
- ksec 2y ago
  >and officially retired from speaking at Rails World That is sad to hear. Any reason why ?

289 points by faebi 2y ago

This conference ended years ago, but really glad to see GoGaRuCo in there

So first of all its a very cool project even tho i don't code ruby. But in case the author of the page is in here, please read the following: Some years ago i had a similar idea, just instead of ruby-cons i went for defcon videos. I build a page that indexed all defcon talks and even tried to categorize them in terms of topics and difficulty. Added a nice search, and put it out as "defcon.video". It didn't take google long to message me and tell me i had to take it down because its actually forbidden to host an alternative search index if you are using the youtube API. You are not allowed to store the results of youtube API (longer than 24hours if i remember) and as stated before not allowed to offer an alternate search. While you might argue: why didn't you just state that you don't use the api to grab the data and shutoff the token usage : well because google is not really known to be friendly and i expected them to just close down my whole developer account if i don't follow. So - in case not all the videos are hand inserted (and even then they might come at you) google definatly will reach out to you and try to force you down. Back when it happend to me i didn't have the time and patience to fight them back so defcon.video was shutdown. Best of luck tho

freedomben 2y ago
> well because google is not really known to be friendly and i expected them to just close down my whole developer account if i don't follow. and if their algorithm is in a bad mood that day, they'll shut down your personal account(s) as well, and possibly adjacent accounts. Hope you don't rely on personal email or Google Photos or Android if that happens. This nuke-somebodys-life-from-orbit capability of such a gigantic company is IMHO one of the best arguments for regulatory limits on company size/scope. That's obviously easier said than done and comes with a whole column of cons, but the power imbalance is so unbelievably great and the reach so deep that in some cases I'd rather be on the wrong side of the state than on the wrong side of Google.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- voodooEntity 2y ago
  Well that's the reason why im running my private mailserver and the only thing im using google for is actual google services. I always wondered why people would just give all their personal information to google in terms of mail and files (convenience i know but still..). But than you see the posts of "google just shutdown my account without any reasoning and i lost everything help!!" here on hackernews and you know exactly why you don't use google for anything but their services.
- giancarlostoro 2y ago
  I tell people I left Google because of all the weird amount of data harvesting, and they always argue Apple's not any better, but I rarely hear of someone losing their iCloud to the level I hear of people losing their Google Account which is glued to too many damn things. At this point I assume the only way Google will ever fix their ridiculous ban process is if someone passes a law that forces them to separate these comingled services from losing you access to your email, and essentially in some cases your personal business.
0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
What is different about https://pyvideo.org/ https://pyvideo.org/ ? That one has been running for many years.
- vinceguidry 2y ago
  Appears to be user-curated instead of sourced from the YouTube API.
  - 0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
    I guess give every API response a LLM laundering and there you go.
marcoroth 2y ago
The talks are all indexed manually and are stored in yaml files, see: https://github.com/adrienpoly/rubyvideo/tree/main/data https://github.com/adrienpoly/rubyvideo/tree/main/data. We are just embedding the video using vlite.js and the YouTube Video ID (which is just embedding an official iframe in the end). So there isn't really an account to "shut down", unless I'm missing something.
- voodooEntity 2y ago
  That sounds good :) tbh i didn't have the time to check your source. So lets hope google understands it and does not herras you :)!
freetonik 2y ago
Oh... I am currently working on building a curated collection of YouTube channels, with custom search index. Thank you for sharing this, I guess I can't continue. It's a shame.

DaveMcMartin 2y ago

I feel much more productive with Ruby on Rails than any other solution

nonconstant 2y ago

I'm super grateful to folks for this. It's one of my favorite websites now.

ferfumarma 2y ago

I love this! Such a cool idea, and such a great resource.

zb3 2y ago

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought this was a new video generation model announcement after reading those first two words..

rashidae 2y ago

How do you do the indexing? Could you share how you do it?

marcoroth 2y ago
It's all manual, but we have a few scripts that help us extract data from the YouTube API.

jpcamara 2y ago

Such a fantastic resource

postatic 2y ago

This looks awesome and the site looks like it’s custom built. For anyone looking for a tool I’ve been using Pyro (https://www.pyro.app https://www.pyro.app) to collect startup pitch videos (https://video.heystartup.com https://video.heystartup.com)

compootr 2y ago
nice ad for pyro.app but yt-dlp + .txt files are free, offline, and will work forever¹ regardless of the operators' wallets. 1: notwithstanding storage degradation, but I trust myself more than this platform

ciberado 2y ago

Ruby on Reels! :D Great effort, thanks. I wish there were more sites like this, devoted to particular topics that proved to be valuable enough to be presented in a public talk. I currently use YouTube for this a lot (like most people, I guess). But sadly, count(views) is not always correlated to quality.

kemiller 2y ago

Is it just me, or is Ruby experiencing a renaissance of sorts? There has been a bunch of positive press, and the community seems more active and vibrant than ever?

yboulkaid 2y ago
It's not just you. From one of the main contributors to Ruby Video[0]: 2024 is the year with the most Ruby talks in a single year, ever! This is the first time we beat the previous all-time record from 2015! Ruby is so back! [0]: https://ruby.social/@marcoroth/113665539397868492 https://ruby.social/@marcoroth/113665539397868492
ksec 2y ago
What people used to like about Rails, those haven't changed and it is also much better than before. ( Would still want more on Auth ) Hotwire, with Turbo. It has been improved and used in production for quite some time. This also got boosted a lot with JS front end fatigue. Performance. Even by default Ruby 3.4 is quite a lot faster than 2.x era. But with YJIT it is in some cases nearly double and ~30-50% faster in Rails. Whatever performance issues there used to be? We will have 256 Core Server in next 12 months, or 512 CPU Core in Dual Socket Setup. CPU Core is getting cheaper and faster. I always like to say Ruby is the only Top programming language that doesn't have a big tech backer behind it. And it only recently found one. Shopify could now single handedly sustain the whole Ruby Rails ecosystem. It also means the whole ecosystem gets a lot more resources than it used to. ( YJIT is from Shopify )
- weaksauce 2y ago
  they are also spearheading the ruby-lsp and rails-lsp gems and vscode extension which are in heavy development and getting better by the day. it’s a shame that github, gitlab, airbnb et al aren’t doing more for the ruby ecosystem that they have benefitted from.
Alifatisk 2y ago
Yupp, been saying the same. I think the Ruby Team did the right thing to focus on performance for Ruby 3.

batesy 2y ago

Wow this is fantastic. Stealing some ideas from this.

rossta 2y ago

Some extra notes: Ruby Video is a Rails application backed by SQLite, its frontend powered by Hotwire. It is open source on GitHub. I’d consider the repo a great resource for anyone looking to learn more about how modern Rails apps are built. https://github.com/adrienpoly/rubyvideo https://github.com/adrienpoly/rubyvideo https://hotwired.dev/ https://hotwired.dev/

pugio 2y ago

Really nice to see a deployed modern Rails site. I just recently decided to try Rails 8 out for a side-project of mine (Paranoia RPG virtual table top) and had a generally pleasant experience. The biggest pain point was the lack of Grade A documentation for the best way to use ActionCable and Turbo – information is spread out between Rails Guides, API docs, and then the Turbo / Stimulus documentation. The actual API docs do a poor job of explaining basic concepts like "streamables", and I kept wondering if I was doing things the "right"/idiomatic way. Still, as always, ActiveRecord is my biggest draw for Rails, and the new first-class Sqlite integrations are a huge draw for me. I've yet to find an ORM that allows me to be anywhere near as productive.

ksec 2y ago
Anyone know what are they using for Analytics? Edit: Search is nice as well. >>Really nice to see a deployed modern Rails site. Yes. And it is also a showcase what I want for 90-95% of the web. Useful as an example next time we have yet another MPA vs SPA or SSR vs CSR argument. It doesn't need to be a complex SPA. Although I must admit the response time isn't perfect even with Cloudflare.
- pauillac 2y ago
  analytics is built with ahoy https://github.com/ankane/ahoy https://github.com/ankane/ahoy. the project is open source if you need more details https://github.com/adrienpoly/rubyvideo https://github.com/adrienpoly/rubyvideo Hosting is in Europe on Hetzner maybe it explains your response time. Where are you located? what are the response time you are getting ?
  - ksec 2y ago
    Right now in Hong Kong, getting about 240 - 260ms RTT. It is probably good enough for 95% of people. I am what I call latency sensitive. But I think the main culprit is surprisingly view transition isn't as good as I thought. Because the slight lag / jank I feel happens on Chrome. While I dont feel this on Firefox or Safari 17.6 which isn't supported yet.

gregates 2y ago

Still sad that the one ruby conference I spoke at — Steel City Ruby way back in 2014 — left behind no video recordings due to a mixup between the conference organizers and the venue staff.

marcoroth 2y ago
That's unfortunate... but we can still index the talks from Steel City Ruby, I just added it to the TODO list! But hey, maybe you get to speak at another Ruby conference in 2025!

pilaf 2y ago

What a great resource, thanks to whoever put this together. To anyone who enjoys contorting the language to make it do weird things for fun, quines, and those sort of things, I really recommend Tomoya Ishida's talk at RubyKaigi 2024. It's in Japanese, but there are subtitles, and the slides speak for themselves. Some of the more whimsical uses of Ruby I've seen in a while. Keyword to peak your interest: animated quines. https://www.rubyvideo.dev/talks/keynote-writing-weird-code https://www.rubyvideo.dev/talks/keynote-writing-weird-code https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6QGq5uGhgU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6QGq5uGhgU

izik 2y ago

I was wondering if the same type application exists for Python and there is similar: pyvideo [1] [1] https://pyvideo.org/ https://pyvideo.org/

emmanueloga_ 2y ago
It is similar, but try this: * Open https://pyvideo.org/speakers.html https://pyvideo.org/speakers.html and scroll down to the bottom. * Open https://www.rubyvideo.dev/speakers https://www.rubyvideo.dev/speakers and do the same thing. The Python page loads instantly, while the Ruby page makes several requests before fully loading. Ironically, it seems to be utilizing a rails feature called "turbo streams".
- hombre_fatal 2y ago
  Yet it took five seconds for the pyvideo list to filter once I clicked a letter “G” while the rubyvideo site was instant.
  - pauillac 2y ago
    yes this is exactly the idea all page remains fast even if we need to list 5k speakers on that page
    - weaksauce 2y ago
      one thing you can do to make the speaker list more performant and seamless is to load the next list of speakers when the scroll gets to some value near the end of the list and also pull a few more speakers in each fetch.
pauillac 2y ago
This was actually an inspiration when the project started

searls 2y ago

I was tickled to scroll down and see my own stupid avatar. Claimed my profile and wrote a note. Thank you so much to everyone in the Ruby community. I spoke at conferences around the world for 13 years, made a ton of friends, and officially retired from speaking at Rails World in Toronto back in September. Some of the best people I've ever met, and the community transformed my life and career.

tmcdonald 2y ago
Hey Justin - this is probably one of my favourite talks! https://testdouble.com/insights/the-selfish-programmer https://testdouble.com/insights/the-selfish-programmer Was lucky to be at the conference when you gave it and it's stuck in my head since. When I'm struggling for motivation or my side projects seem to be just too big I give it another watch.
ksec 2y ago
>and officially retired from speaking at Rails World That is sad to hear. Any reason why ?