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There’s an obvious space here for startups to create filtered educational agents. You want the kids to use the LLM, but you want them to use a neutered LLM that

There’s an obvious space here for startups to create filtered educational agents. You want the kids to use the LLM, but you want them to use a neutered LLM that won’t give a freebie solution. Some simple system prompting on a local LLM can help you get there on your own believe it or not. A custom GPT on ChatGPT is another option. This will take an active involvement from you, because it’s a pretty much figure it out as you go for all of us. Augmenting a parent so their child has a world class tutor is incredible stuff.

consumer451 2y ago
In my participial case, I am not asking about scalable companies. Instead, I am asking about our childrens' education. LLMs for coding are a bit of cheat code, and cheating is not necessarily ideal in this case. To be entirely honest, I would love to read pg's take on this. He seems like the type of guy who might have expended some thought on this topic, as difficult as it is. No matter who writes this piece, we need it to move forward.
trod1234 2y ago
Many would disagree, solely on the basis of the many knock-on effects where such companies in other areas have cut corners with egregious failures. > Augmenting a parent so their child has a world class tutor is incredible stuff. So does replacing the underlying meaning of the label tutor, with a cult leader. It is incredible, just not in the way you intended. How will you know the difference if this was done outside your awareness? Machines are programmed by people you never meet, or can hold to account (in many cases). Many seem to think LLM's are magical replacements for people, they are not. It seems more like you want to further offload parenting to a blind machine you can't control without recognition of the consequences, while taking away the economic benefit of tutoring as a job at the same time. The internet raised a lot of kids in the late 80s/90s, many were very intelligent, but became maladjusted from exposure to things on places like 4chan. That maladjustment led to acts that landed some of them in prison, which has become the modern form of slavery. I think you need to more carefully reflect on both the negatives and positives.
- bloomingkales 2y ago
  The internet raised a lot of kids in the late 80s/90s, many were very intelligent, but became maladjusted from exposure to things on places like 4chan. The realist in me is focusing in on the first half of that sentence. The kids are going to get raised by something other than the parents. This will happen globally because no one wants to accept parenting globally has been and will continue to be inadequate. I’d rather many children in say, I don’t know, Afghanistan, get some guidance from an LLM.
  - trod1234 2y ago
    This is a recipe for disaster wherever it might occur, no good can come from it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/12/10/character-ai-lawsuit-teen-kill-parents-texas/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/12/10/charact... LLMs are not people, only people know how to give guidance. LLMs are chaos and deceit simulacra, and kids are the least biologically capable of discerning omission and deceit especially prior to the age of reason where this isn't possible.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > The internet raised a lot of kids in the late 80s/90s The internet wasn’t really available to most of the public until after the advent of the web in 1994, it certainly wasn’t raising a lot of kids (even in the very loose sense of having some influence through being a medium of direct interaction for them while they were growing up) in the 1980s.
  - trod1234 2y ago
    That is categorically untrue. The internet was available well before 94. AOL and Compuserve were available and provided access to quite a large number of people starting in 85 iirc, and by 89/90 their free month promotions targeting families made it cost effect for most (they sent out the CDs and bundled them with magazines everywhere, allowed creation of subaccounts, and many businesses reimbursed for the monthly costs as email was really catching on). It certainly wasn't the web as we know it today, but it was the internet with direct interaction in mailing lists, newsgroups, chat rooms, You've got emails, and other network connected services and even games in the form of muds, all at the blazing fast speeds of the time, 14.4kbps, and its now iconic connection handshake.

consumer451 2y ago

In my participial case, I am not asking about scalable companies. Instead, I am asking about our childrens' education. LLMs for coding are a bit of cheat code, and cheating is not necessarily ideal in this case. To be entirely honest, I would love to read pg's take on this. He seems like the type of guy who might have expended some thought on this topic, as difficult as it is. No matter who writes this piece, we need it to move forward.

trod1234 2y ago

Many would disagree, solely on the basis of the many knock-on effects where such companies in other areas have cut corners with egregious failures. > Augmenting a parent so their child has a world class tutor is incredible stuff. So does replacing the underlying meaning of the label tutor, with a cult leader. It is incredible, just not in the way you intended. How will you know the difference if this was done outside your awareness? Machines are programmed by people you never meet, or can hold to account (in many cases). Many seem to think LLM's are magical replacements for people, they are not. It seems more like you want to further offload parenting to a blind machine you can't control without recognition of the consequences, while taking away the economic benefit of tutoring as a job at the same time. The internet raised a lot of kids in the late 80s/90s, many were very intelligent, but became maladjusted from exposure to things on places like 4chan. That maladjustment led to acts that landed some of them in prison, which has become the modern form of slavery. I think you need to more carefully reflect on both the negatives and positives.

bloomingkales 2y ago
The internet raised a lot of kids in the late 80s/90s, many were very intelligent, but became maladjusted from exposure to things on places like 4chan. The realist in me is focusing in on the first half of that sentence. The kids are going to get raised by something other than the parents. This will happen globally because no one wants to accept parenting globally has been and will continue to be inadequate. I’d rather many children in say, I don’t know, Afghanistan, get some guidance from an LLM.
- trod1234 2y ago
  This is a recipe for disaster wherever it might occur, no good can come from it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/12/10/character-ai-lawsuit-teen-kill-parents-texas/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/12/10/charact... LLMs are not people, only people know how to give guidance. LLMs are chaos and deceit simulacra, and kids are the least biologically capable of discerning omission and deceit especially prior to the age of reason where this isn't possible.
dragonwriter 2y ago
> The internet raised a lot of kids in the late 80s/90s The internet wasn’t really available to most of the public until after the advent of the web in 1994, it certainly wasn’t raising a lot of kids (even in the very loose sense of having some influence through being a medium of direct interaction for them while they were growing up) in the 1980s.
- trod1234 2y ago
  That is categorically untrue. The internet was available well before 94. AOL and Compuserve were available and provided access to quite a large number of people starting in 85 iirc, and by 89/90 their free month promotions targeting families made it cost effect for most (they sent out the CDs and bundled them with magazines everywhere, allowed creation of subaccounts, and many businesses reimbursed for the monthly costs as email was really catching on). It certainly wasn't the web as we know it today, but it was the internet with direct interaction in mailing lists, newsgroups, chat rooms, You've got emails, and other network connected services and even games in the form of muds, all at the blazing fast speeds of the time, 14.4kbps, and its now iconic connection handshake.