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If you need a chorus, sounds like you don't have conviction. Want to lay it out? You comment a lot on UFO posts, right? What's your primary interest? Ruling ou

If you need a chorus, sounds like you don't have conviction. Want to lay it out? You comment a lot on UFO posts, right? What's your primary interest? Ruling out NHI as a cause? Why? Personal or professional reasons?

ggm 2y ago
Personal. It feels like a misapplied Occam's razor to put unknowns down to alien intelligence, rather than human or meteorological sources. I appreciate some people think "an open mind" in this matter is some exemplar. I'm not one of them. I'm an athiest too. Not agnostic. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-officials-say-most-northeast-drone-sightings-are-actually-manned-aircraft-2024-12-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-officials-say-most-north... (also on HN)
- keepamovin 2y ago
  Cool, I get that from your perspective, you're simply keeping an open mind, too. Just in a different way, right? I wonder tho - is there nothing that could be said to budge your view? In case there is, for a start, can I refer you to Karl Nell's excellent overview of the 1st principles argument for the existence of NHI? -- Also, on to the drone flap specifically: I checked that link and...ugh...the federal (Kirby) and much other official response to the drone flap has been an as yet unmitigated shambles, and deferring to that weakens any points you make. If you search for it, you'll see that there's reports that FBI and WH are internally in melt down over this issue. It's clear from their public statements they're gaslighting the public, which is terrible, and it's obvious they have failed to respond credibly at all. For instance: so "no evidence" of a threat is now the minimum safe distance? Seems an irresponsible standard to have given "suspicion" of a threat is reasonable grounds if you care about security. Also, they've frequently said they're not a threat and there's no security issue, but how can they know that while simultaneously admitting they have no idea what they are, and can't trace their origin? Unknown craft, with anomalous characteristics (long loiter, no FLIR signature), just chilling out above military bases and people's homes? Nothing to see? Zero threats given? Is it: they don't believe it's a threat, or they say that because they don't have a counter? And would they mind to deign and inform us on what basis they make their assessment that these unknowns are no threat? This phony, deceptive response is the total opposite of how the military would react to an unknown incursion normally. Absolute shambles. People are not happy with the response, and no longer accepting the untrustworthy dismissals that this unpermitted, uncontrolled, un-countered incursion is a nothing burger that poses zero threat and requires no response. Maybe you're different, but you should be disgusted with this deeply flawed response. It's certainly not metrological, and even if it's human the official line is still abominable. But all that said, what's your Occam's limit point for this event, if you're thinking about it?
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    Wow crazy that ggm's root comment was flagged on this tiny post (3 - 4 upvotes). Sure it was a little strident but it wasn't abusive. Yet it was flagged dead. Crazy. And my comments were downvoted. Pretty weird. The long arm of information suppression even stretches into HN. smh. We were all set to have a good discussion I thought - hahaha! :)

ggm 2y ago

Personal. It feels like a misapplied Occam's razor to put unknowns down to alien intelligence, rather than human or meteorological sources. I appreciate some people think "an open mind" in this matter is some exemplar. I'm not one of them. I'm an athiest too. Not agnostic. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-officials-say-most-northeast-drone-sightings-are-actually-manned-aircraft-2024-12-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-officials-say-most-north... (also on HN)

keepamovin 2y ago
Cool, I get that from your perspective, you're simply keeping an open mind, too. Just in a different way, right? I wonder tho - is there nothing that could be said to budge your view? In case there is, for a start, can I refer you to Karl Nell's excellent overview of the 1st principles argument for the existence of NHI? -- Also, on to the drone flap specifically: I checked that link and...ugh...the federal (Kirby) and much other official response to the drone flap has been an as yet unmitigated shambles, and deferring to that weakens any points you make. If you search for it, you'll see that there's reports that FBI and WH are internally in melt down over this issue. It's clear from their public statements they're gaslighting the public, which is terrible, and it's obvious they have failed to respond credibly at all. For instance: so "no evidence" of a threat is now the minimum safe distance? Seems an irresponsible standard to have given "suspicion" of a threat is reasonable grounds if you care about security. Also, they've frequently said they're not a threat and there's no security issue, but how can they know that while simultaneously admitting they have no idea what they are, and can't trace their origin? Unknown craft, with anomalous characteristics (long loiter, no FLIR signature), just chilling out above military bases and people's homes? Nothing to see? Zero threats given? Is it: they don't believe it's a threat, or they say that because they don't have a counter? And would they mind to deign and inform us on what basis they make their assessment that these unknowns are no threat? This phony, deceptive response is the total opposite of how the military would react to an unknown incursion normally. Absolute shambles. People are not happy with the response, and no longer accepting the untrustworthy dismissals that this unpermitted, uncontrolled, un-countered incursion is a nothing burger that poses zero threat and requires no response. Maybe you're different, but you should be disgusted with this deeply flawed response. It's certainly not metrological, and even if it's human the official line is still abominable. But all that said, what's your Occam's limit point for this event, if you're thinking about it?
- keepamovin 2y ago
  Wow crazy that ggm's root comment was flagged on this tiny post (3 - 4 upvotes). Sure it was a little strident but it wasn't abusive. Yet it was flagged dead. Crazy. And my comments were downvoted. Pretty weird. The long arm of information suppression even stretches into HN. smh. We were all set to have a good discussion I thought - hahaha! :)