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rare as in 1,200+ in the last 4 years… https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings that’s about 1,200 more than parents worry about any

rare as in 1,200+ in the last 4 years… https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings that’s about 1,200 more than parents worry about anything else

zdragnar 2y ago
And the vast majority of those are accidental, drive by, and "escalation of dispute" per your link. These are not the kinds of shootings that parents want kids to be texting about, these are run of the mill gang activity. The mass violence shootings that you hear about on TV where anyone and everyone might be a victim are the exception, not the norm.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  guessing you just might not be a parent yet…
  - zdragnar 2y ago
    When you live in a city with lots of crime and there's a shooting in the parking lot of the school at one in the morning, it's not really something that needs an urgent text from the kids.
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      I definitely agree. If my kid went to school in south side chicago I’d get bored getting texts 291 times per day, yea
      - zdragnar 2y ago
        I think you've missed my point. Yes, I want to know these things happen. No, they are not such an emergency that my kid needs to be taking time from class to text me about it. Most schools in areas with lots of crime or gang activity have metal detectors and other security at the doors. Violence is happening off hours, or between gang members either off campus (but close enough to warrant bringing people inside) or at the edges. In a country with hundreds of millions of people, a thousand over four years is not exactly a rounding error given that it is concentrated in a few areas, but still close enough that the vast majority will never experience it in their lives.
        bdangubic 2y ago
        this is a good thing I can talk to my kid about… there’s this Earth and on this Earth there is this Country where based on number of people that live there vast majority will not experience being gunned down in what should be 2nd safest place you can be. no other country on Earth has these issues, even ones that are 5x+ size of this one. But you know, statistically speaking you should technically be OK…
      - tptacek 2y ago
        Don't let me ruin this for you but shootings inside CPS schools are extremely rare. https://www.chds.us/sssc/data-map/ https://www.chds.us/sssc/data-map/
quantumfissure 2y ago
Please keep in mind, these lists are usually completely arbitrary and have very loose definitions of "school shootings", based around the usual theatrics of security and terror theater. Some examples that have been on these lists in the past: - A school resource officers firearm that accidentally went off when a child hugged around his waist. No injuries (there are other questions, but doesn't qualify in the same way) - An empty .22 casing found in a random school parking lot, probably fell out of a car or got caught in a boot or similar. - A gang fight at 1am on a Saturday near to school property. - My personal favorite: The two schools closest to me that showed up on one of the lists (Everytown, I believe?) because the police were dealing with an active robbery situation about 1/2 mi away and they asked the schools to go into lockdown. Apparently "lockdown" immediately and only ever means schools shooting. - 2/3rd of school shootings that NPR couldn't verify happened.[1] [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-sch...
- basisword 2y ago
  >> Please keep in mind, these lists are usually completely arbitrary and have very loose definitions of "school shootings" While I get your point, I think when you have to be concerned about how 'school shooting' is defined your country has a big problem.
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    amen :) when you start weeding through thousands of things to find “silver lining” you have already lost (US has lost all sense of protecting our children a long time ago and it is nonsense like this that is poisoning people’s brains in defense of 2nd amendment (err gun lobbyists…)
  - Izkata 2y ago
    Their point is how much media hysteria hypes things up, and people from other countries accepting that distorted view of the country as normal here.

rare as in 1,200+ in the last 4 years… https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings that’s about 1,200 more than parents worry about anything else

zdragnar 2y ago

And the vast majority of those are accidental, drive by, and "escalation of dispute" per your link. These are not the kinds of shootings that parents want kids to be texting about, these are run of the mill gang activity. The mass violence shootings that you hear about on TV where anyone and everyone might be a victim are the exception, not the norm.

bdangubic 2y ago
guessing you just might not be a parent yet…
- zdragnar 2y ago
  When you live in a city with lots of crime and there's a shooting in the parking lot of the school at one in the morning, it's not really something that needs an urgent text from the kids.
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    I definitely agree. If my kid went to school in south side chicago I’d get bored getting texts 291 times per day, yea
    - zdragnar 2y ago
      I think you've missed my point. Yes, I want to know these things happen. No, they are not such an emergency that my kid needs to be taking time from class to text me about it. Most schools in areas with lots of crime or gang activity have metal detectors and other security at the doors. Violence is happening off hours, or between gang members either off campus (but close enough to warrant bringing people inside) or at the edges. In a country with hundreds of millions of people, a thousand over four years is not exactly a rounding error given that it is concentrated in a few areas, but still close enough that the vast majority will never experience it in their lives.
      - bdangubic 2y ago
        this is a good thing I can talk to my kid about… there’s this Earth and on this Earth there is this Country where based on number of people that live there vast majority will not experience being gunned down in what should be 2nd safest place you can be. no other country on Earth has these issues, even ones that are 5x+ size of this one. But you know, statistically speaking you should technically be OK…
    - tptacek 2y ago
      Don't let me ruin this for you but shootings inside CPS schools are extremely rare. https://www.chds.us/sssc/data-map/ https://www.chds.us/sssc/data-map/

quantumfissure 2y ago

Please keep in mind, these lists are usually completely arbitrary and have very loose definitions of "school shootings", based around the usual theatrics of security and terror theater. Some examples that have been on these lists in the past: - A school resource officers firearm that accidentally went off when a child hugged around his waist. No injuries (there are other questions, but doesn't qualify in the same way) - An empty .22 casing found in a random school parking lot, probably fell out of a car or got caught in a boot or similar. - A gang fight at 1am on a Saturday near to school property. - My personal favorite: The two schools closest to me that showed up on one of the lists (Everytown, I believe?) because the police were dealing with an active robbery situation about 1/2 mi away and they asked the schools to go into lockdown. Apparently "lockdown" immediately and only ever means schools shooting. - 2/3rd of school shootings that NPR couldn't verify happened.[1] [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-sch...

basisword 2y ago
>> Please keep in mind, these lists are usually completely arbitrary and have very loose definitions of "school shootings" While I get your point, I think when you have to be concerned about how 'school shooting' is defined your country has a big problem.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  amen :) when you start weeding through thousands of things to find “silver lining” you have already lost (US has lost all sense of protecting our children a long time ago and it is nonsense like this that is poisoning people’s brains in defense of 2nd amendment (err gun lobbyists…)
- Izkata 2y ago
  Their point is how much media hysteria hypes things up, and people from other countries accepting that distorted view of the country as normal here.