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No, but you can find millions of Russian children being taught that Ukrainians do not exist, and that they are all really Russians, because Vladimir was baptize

No, but you can find millions of Russian children being taught that Ukrainians do not exist, and that they are all really Russians, because Vladimir was baptized Orthodox in 980. It’s basically as crazy as saying Canadians don’t exist and are actually a U.S. state. The Azov Batallion was never in the mainstream of Ukrainian culture, but they have been lionized for their defense of Azovstal. Kind of the Johnny Depp of Ukraine — did some really cool stuff but if you look too close goddamn is it problematic.

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- aguaviva 2y ago
  And who is building monuments[0] honoring Bandera[1] and names streets[2] after him all over Ukraine? Local governments and various advocacy groups, with no support at the federal level. Meanwhile, a solid component of mainstream Russian society also continues to honor (and more broadly legitimize/normalize) a certain dead fascist icon: A surprisingly large number of Russians even believe that Stalin had mystical powers. As recently as 2003, about 750,000 people voted for a party that aimed to continue what it said was Stalin's attempt to battle the ancient Egyptian priesthood of Ra, which supposedly runs the world from its base in Switzerland. https://theweek.com/articles/467027/why-many-russians-still-love-stalin https://theweek.com/articles/467027/why-many-russians-still-... In classrooms across Russia, students are taught out of a modern textbook which represents Stalin as simply an efficient leader who had the unfortunate responsibility to resort to extreme measures to protect Russia and ensure its leadership role on a global scale.[57] A poll in 2019 found that 70% of Russians believed that Stalin had a positive impact on Russian history, while 51% of people in Russia viewed Stalin with a positive attitude.[58] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin%27s_cult_of_personality#Third_wave https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin%27s_cult_of_pers...
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      I gave a link to an article about Ukrainian ambassador in Germany defending glorification of Bandera in Ukraine and comparing him with Robin Hood. And he was promptly dismissed from that position for making those comments. As you "forgot" to mention.
      - protomolecule 2y ago
        No, it's not clear, what he was "dismissed" for, he wasn't publicly condemned by the Ukrainian president. And "dismissed" means he was made Deputy Foreign Minister and half a year later assigned to the position of the ambassador to Brazil. In fact, in the news reports the Bandera remarks weren't mentioned at all or at best mentioned after the words "also coincided". "Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Saturday that he had dismissed several of Kyiv's senior envoys abroad, including the country's outspoken ambassador to Germany. Zelenskiy announced the sacking of Ukraine's ambassadors to Germany, India, the Czech Republic, Norway and Hungary and said new candidates were being readied for the positions. "This rotation is a normal part of diplomatic practice," he said in a statement. The 46-year-old regularly engages in outspoken social media exchanges and has branded politicians and intellectuals who oppose arming Ukraine to fight the Russian invasion as appeasers. He once accused German Chancellor Olaf Scholz of behaving like an "offended liver sausage" when Scholz did not immediately accept an invitation by Zelenskiy to visit Kyiv." [0] "Melnyk was critical of President Frank-Walter Steinmeier, accusing him of having too many close Russian connections. He also became embroiled in a dispute with Chancellor Olaf Scholz after Steinmeier was told he was not wanted on a visit to Kyiv earlier in the war. When Scholz called Ukraine's snub of the German president unfortunate, Melnyk used a German idiom to imply that he was feigning insult and was overreacting to the situation. Melnyk had defended himself in the past, when charged with being undiplomatic in his tone, by saying the time for unflinchingly deferential diplomacy had passed for a Ukraine fighting a defensive war for its survival as a state. His departure from Berlin also coincided quite closely with comments of his defending wartime nationalist Ukrainian leader Stepan Bandera, who still divides opinion in Ukraine and abroad. " [1] [0] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-sacks-ukraines-envoy-germany-other-ambassadors-2022-07-09/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-sacks-ukraine... [1] https://www.dw.com/en/kyivs-ex-envoy-to-berlin-takes-deputy-foreign-minister-post/a-63816305 https://www.dw.com/en/kyivs-ex-envoy-to-berlin-takes-deputy-...

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aguaviva 2y ago
And who is building monuments[0] honoring Bandera[1] and names streets[2] after him all over Ukraine? Local governments and various advocacy groups, with no support at the federal level. Meanwhile, a solid component of mainstream Russian society also continues to honor (and more broadly legitimize/normalize) a certain dead fascist icon: A surprisingly large number of Russians even believe that Stalin had mystical powers. As recently as 2003, about 750,000 people voted for a party that aimed to continue what it said was Stalin's attempt to battle the ancient Egyptian priesthood of Ra, which supposedly runs the world from its base in Switzerland. https://theweek.com/articles/467027/why-many-russians-still-love-stalin https://theweek.com/articles/467027/why-many-russians-still-... In classrooms across Russia, students are taught out of a modern textbook which represents Stalin as simply an efficient leader who had the unfortunate responsibility to resort to extreme measures to protect Russia and ensure its leadership role on a global scale.[57] A poll in 2019 found that 70% of Russians believed that Stalin had a positive impact on Russian history, while 51% of people in Russia viewed Stalin with a positive attitude.[58] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin%27s_cult_of_personality#Third_wave https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin%27s_cult_of_pers...
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  - aguaviva 2y ago
    I gave a link to an article about Ukrainian ambassador in Germany defending glorification of Bandera in Ukraine and comparing him with Robin Hood. And he was promptly dismissed from that position for making those comments. As you "forgot" to mention.
    - protomolecule 2y ago
      No, it's not clear, what he was "dismissed" for, he wasn't publicly condemned by the Ukrainian president. And "dismissed" means he was made Deputy Foreign Minister and half a year later assigned to the position of the ambassador to Brazil. In fact, in the news reports the Bandera remarks weren't mentioned at all or at best mentioned after the words "also coincided". "Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Saturday that he had dismissed several of Kyiv's senior envoys abroad, including the country's outspoken ambassador to Germany. Zelenskiy announced the sacking of Ukraine's ambassadors to Germany, India, the Czech Republic, Norway and Hungary and said new candidates were being readied for the positions. "This rotation is a normal part of diplomatic practice," he said in a statement. The 46-year-old regularly engages in outspoken social media exchanges and has branded politicians and intellectuals who oppose arming Ukraine to fight the Russian invasion as appeasers. He once accused German Chancellor Olaf Scholz of behaving like an "offended liver sausage" when Scholz did not immediately accept an invitation by Zelenskiy to visit Kyiv." [0] "Melnyk was critical of President Frank-Walter Steinmeier, accusing him of having too many close Russian connections. He also became embroiled in a dispute with Chancellor Olaf Scholz after Steinmeier was told he was not wanted on a visit to Kyiv earlier in the war. When Scholz called Ukraine's snub of the German president unfortunate, Melnyk used a German idiom to imply that he was feigning insult and was overreacting to the situation. Melnyk had defended himself in the past, when charged with being undiplomatic in his tone, by saying the time for unflinchingly deferential diplomacy had passed for a Ukraine fighting a defensive war for its survival as a state. His departure from Berlin also coincided quite closely with comments of his defending wartime nationalist Ukrainian leader Stepan Bandera, who still divides opinion in Ukraine and abroad. " [1] [0] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-sacks-ukraines-envoy-germany-other-ambassadors-2022-07-09/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-sacks-ukraine... [1] https://www.dw.com/en/kyivs-ex-envoy-to-berlin-takes-deputy-foreign-minister-post/a-63816305 https://www.dw.com/en/kyivs-ex-envoy-to-berlin-takes-deputy-...