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Why?
by NeutralCrane 2y ago
Why?
- bmacho 2y agoWhy not? A fast piece of metal is different from a slow piece of metal, from a legal perspective. You can't just say that "this really bad thing that causes a lot of problems is just like this not so bad thing that haven't caused any problem, only more so". Or at least it's not a correct argument. When it is the scale that causes the harm, stating that the harmful thing is the same as the harmless except the scale, is like.. weird.
- sashank_1509 2y agoSo in your view, when a human does it, he causes a minute of harm so we can ignore it, but chatGPT causes a massive amount of harm, so we need to penalize it. Do you realize how radical your position is? You’re saying a human who reads free work that others put out on the internet, synthesizes that knowledge and then answers someone else’s question is a minute of evil, that we can ignore. This is beyond weird, I don’t think anyone on earth/history would agree with this characterization. If anything, the human is doing a good thing, but when ChatGPT does it at a much larger scale it’s no longer good, it becomes evil? This seems more like thinly veiled logic to disguise anxiety that humans are being replaced by AI.
- bmacho 2y ago> So in your view, when a human does it, he causes a minute of harm so we can ignore it, but chatGPT causes a massive amount of harm, so we need to penalize it. Do you realize how radical your position is? Yes, that's my view. No, I don't think that this is radical at all. For some reasons or another, it is indeed quiet uncommon. (Well, not in law, our politicians are perfectly capable of making laws based on the size of danger/harm.) However, I haven't yet met anyone, who was able to defend the opposite position, e.g. slow bullets = fast bullets, drawing someone = photographing someone, memorizing something = recording something, and so on. Can you?
- sashank_1509 2y agoDon’t obfuscate, your view is that the stack overflow commentator, Quora answer writer, blog writer, in fact anyone who did not invent the knowledge he’s disseminating, is committing a small amount of evil. That is radical and makes no sense to me.
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- bmacho 2y ago> Don’t obfuscate, your view is that the stack overflow commentator, Quora answer writer, blog writer, in fact anyone who did not invent the knowledge he’s disseminating, is committing a small amount of evil. :/ No, it's not? I've written "haven't caused any problem" and "harmless". You've changed it to "small harm" that I've indeed missed. I don't think that things that don't cause any problem are evil. That's a ridiculous claim, and I don't understand why would you want me to say that. For example I think 10 billion pandas living here on Earth with us would be bad for humanity. Does that mean that I think that 1 panda is a minute of evil? No, I think it's harmless, maybe even a net good for humanity. I think the same about Quora commenters.
- chefandy 2y agoYes, that dichotomy is present everywhere in the real world. You need lye to make proper bagels. It is not merely harmless, but beneficial in small amounts for that purpose. We still must make sure food businesses don't contaminate food with it; it could cause severe — possibly fatal — esophageal burns. The "A little is beneficial but a lot is deleterious" also applies to many vitamins… water… cops? Trying to turn this into an “it’s either always good or always bad” dichotomy serves no purpose but to make straw men.
- Riverheart 2y agoNot a nice interpretation of what is being said. Clearly there is nuance that society compromises on certain things that would be problematic at scale because it benefits society. Sharing learned information disadvantages people who make a career of creating and compiling that information but you know, humans need to learn to get jobs and acquire capital to live and, surprisingly, die and along with them that information. Or framing the issue another way, people living isn’t a problem but people living forever would be. Scale/time matters. Here again I’ve fallen for the HN comment section. Defend your view point if you like I have no additional commentary on this.
- aziaziazi 2y ago> This is beyond weird, I don’t think anyone on earth/history would agree with this characterization Superlatives are a slippery slope in argumentation, especially if you invoke the whole humanity of the whole earth of the whole history. I do understand bmaco theory and while not a lawyer I’d bet what you want there’s more than one juridiction that see scale as an important factor. Often the law is imagined as an objective cold cut indifferent knife but often there’s also a lot of "reality" aspects like common practice.
- abduhl 2y ago>> A fast piece of metal is different from a slow piece of metal, from a legal perspective. I’d like to hear more about this legal distinction because it’s not one I’ve ever heard of before.
- bmacho 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States
- abduhl 2y agoSo there isn’t a legal distinction regarding fast/slow metal after all. Well that revelation certainly makes me question your legal analysis about copyright.