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We Are the Robots

15 points by jger15 2y ago

marc_abonce 2y ago
> the group was German, so I don’t know why the song is in Russian+English Kraftwerk wrote and released both German and English versions of most of their music. For example, in Germany this song was released as "Die Roboter". Occasionally they also mix other languages in their lyrics, another example on top of my head is the Numbers song. I assume that it makes them sound more international which helps a lot with the "futuristic" sound.
- _19qg 2y ago
  There is a idea of a robot (on the album "Die Mensch-Maschine", "The Man Machine") as the perfect worker (russian "rabotnik") and also the relationshop to russian suprematism as an art form (see the cover). The robot as an ideal socialist worker. Lyrics: Я твой слуга (Ja tvoi sluga) (I'm your slave) Я твой работник (Ja tvoi rabotnik) (I'm your worker)
  - djmips 2y ago
    Your translation seems much more apt than the one provided in the article. Side note I guess the villain in the Sonic series is 'the perfect worker' by name.
    - gsf_emergency 2y ago
      Side note to side note, here's the etymology to villain, "farmhand" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villain#Etymology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villain#Etymology
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        side³ note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churl
        gsf_emergency 2y ago
        Side^4 of a southern hemispheric flavour https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/boor https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/boor [ok Bauer can also be perjorative, but im guessing it might require importing to render out the paisani]
        gsf_emergency 2y ago
        Side^5 https://youtu.be/Bie1TnmBc70 https://youtu.be/Bie1TnmBc70 >а во втором — «пришелец», «чужеземец», прибывший добровольно или привезённый насильственно из чужих краёв, одинокий человек, не имеющий родственников, близких [Reflecting on Mario's brother non ironically (mostly) as A Hero of Our Times, I was forcefully reminded of a very model of a modern Ritter-Dichter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lermontov#/media/File:Mikhail_lermontov.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lermontov#/media/File:... ]
        082349872349872 2y ago
        funny the difference between the classical symmetry of the sat portrait vs the romantic asymmetry* of the self portrait: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lermontov#/media/File:Lermontov-Autoportrait.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lermontov#/media/File:... ! Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZpHxr0xs0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZpHxr0xs0Q (who is at 2:27 & 2:29? AKAK?) * Да, да, да, да, да это Кавказ!
        gsf_emergency 2y ago
        Some of them might be the other Kadyrov? https://ar.culture.ru/en/subject/portret-kadyrova-abdulhamida-abdulhamidovicha https://ar.culture.ru/en/subject/portret-kadyrova-abdulhamid...
  - gsf_emergency 2y ago
    >The word robota means literally 'corvée, serf labor', and figuratively 'drudgery, hard work' in Czech and also (more general) 'work, labor' in many Slavic languages https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/origin-word-robot-rur/ https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/origin-word-robot-rur/
082349872349872 2y ago
There's even a "hyperorganic" Rubik's Cube algorithm: the stereotypical organic algorithm solves the cube layer by layer, only pulling out the fanciest moves to get the last few cubies in place. The hyperorganic algorithm is intensely group theoretic, and starts by allowing any kind of movement, but then cuts it down: from any quarter turns to half turns only, etc. (apparently just at the time no legal moves are left according to the algo, the cube should be solved), and the distinguishing feature is that instead of having clear progress layer-by-layer, it still looks mostly, inscrutably, scrambled until almost the final steps, when it suddenly "crystallises" into a solved cube. Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-yTrFDHpbw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-yTrFDHpbw
- Thorrez 2y ago
  I don't understand how this comment relates to the article, or how that video relates to the rest of the comment.
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    The "hyperorganic" algo behaves like hyperorganicity in TFA: > Things that are more structurally complex present as statically inscrutable ... Things that are more behaviorally complex present as chaotic even if they’re not. The video relates to TFA independently of the rest of the comment*, specifically Kraftwerk's lyric « Я твой слуга » [and more distantly to Wiener, The Human Use of Human Beings (1950)] * a "lagniappe" is a freebie, a bonus item.
    - djmips 2y ago
      I appreciate your comment and video bonus. The article was free ranging and entertaining and not particularly focused and so when someone asks how your comment and video could relate to the article... Well did they read the whole article?
- djmips 2y ago
  I'd mused about how we learn solve the cube in a structured approach and that there perhaps could be a better way and in my mind it would be exactly as you described. Have any humans mastered this approach despite it's hyper organic label?
CMCDragonkai 2y ago
When he's talking about robots machine learning motions beyond simple poses and human created grammars, it reminded me of when Offensive bias was free to maneuver it's ships in ways that would be fatal to its occupants after the Halo rings fired. I guess the same will be true of full autonomous war drones.

15 points by jger15 2y ago

> the group was German, so I don’t know why the song is in Russian+English Kraftwerk wrote and released both German and English versions of most of their music. For example, in Germany this song was released as "Die Roboter". Occasionally they also mix other languages in their lyrics, another example on top of my head is the Numbers song. I assume that it makes them sound more international which helps a lot with the "futuristic" sound.

_19qg 2y ago
There is a idea of a robot (on the album "Die Mensch-Maschine", "The Man Machine") as the perfect worker (russian "rabotnik") and also the relationshop to russian suprematism as an art form (see the cover). The robot as an ideal socialist worker. Lyrics: Я твой слуга (Ja tvoi sluga) (I'm your slave) Я твой работник (Ja tvoi rabotnik) (I'm your worker)
- djmips 2y ago
  Your translation seems much more apt than the one provided in the article. Side note I guess the villain in the Sonic series is 'the perfect worker' by name.
  - gsf_emergency 2y ago
    Side note to side note, here's the etymology to villain, "farmhand" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villain#Etymology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villain#Etymology
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      side³ note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churl
      - gsf_emergency 2y ago
        Side^4 of a southern hemispheric flavour https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/boor https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/boor [ok Bauer can also be perjorative, but im guessing it might require importing to render out the paisani]
      - gsf_emergency 2y ago
        Side^5 https://youtu.be/Bie1TnmBc70 https://youtu.be/Bie1TnmBc70 >а во втором — «пришелец», «чужеземец», прибывший добровольно или привезённый насильственно из чужих краёв, одинокий человек, не имеющий родственников, близких [Reflecting on Mario's brother non ironically (mostly) as A Hero of Our Times, I was forcefully reminded of a very model of a modern Ritter-Dichter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lermontov#/media/File:Mikhail_lermontov.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lermontov#/media/File:... ]
        082349872349872 2y ago
        funny the difference between the classical symmetry of the sat portrait vs the romantic asymmetry* of the self portrait: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lermontov#/media/File:Lermontov-Autoportrait.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lermontov#/media/File:... ! Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZpHxr0xs0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZpHxr0xs0Q (who is at 2:27 & 2:29? AKAK?) * Да, да, да, да, да это Кавказ!
        gsf_emergency 2y ago
        Some of them might be the other Kadyrov? https://ar.culture.ru/en/subject/portret-kadyrova-abdulhamida-abdulhamidovicha https://ar.culture.ru/en/subject/portret-kadyrova-abdulhamid...
- gsf_emergency 2y ago
  >The word robota means literally 'corvée, serf labor', and figuratively 'drudgery, hard work' in Czech and also (more general) 'work, labor' in many Slavic languages https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/origin-word-robot-rur/ https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/origin-word-robot-rur/

082349872349872 2y ago

There's even a "hyperorganic" Rubik's Cube algorithm: the stereotypical organic algorithm solves the cube layer by layer, only pulling out the fanciest moves to get the last few cubies in place. The hyperorganic algorithm is intensely group theoretic, and starts by allowing any kind of movement, but then cuts it down: from any quarter turns to half turns only, etc. (apparently just at the time no legal moves are left according to the algo, the cube should be solved), and the distinguishing feature is that instead of having clear progress layer-by-layer, it still looks mostly, inscrutably, scrambled until almost the final steps, when it suddenly "crystallises" into a solved cube. Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-yTrFDHpbw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-yTrFDHpbw

Thorrez 2y ago
I don't understand how this comment relates to the article, or how that video relates to the rest of the comment.
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  The "hyperorganic" algo behaves like hyperorganicity in TFA: > Things that are more structurally complex present as statically inscrutable ... Things that are more behaviorally complex present as chaotic even if they’re not. The video relates to TFA independently of the rest of the comment*, specifically Kraftwerk's lyric « Я твой слуга » [and more distantly to Wiener, The Human Use of Human Beings (1950)] * a "lagniappe" is a freebie, a bonus item.
  - djmips 2y ago
    I appreciate your comment and video bonus. The article was free ranging and entertaining and not particularly focused and so when someone asks how your comment and video could relate to the article... Well did they read the whole article?
djmips 2y ago
I'd mused about how we learn solve the cube in a structured approach and that there perhaps could be a better way and in my mind it would be exactly as you described. Have any humans mastered this approach despite it's hyper organic label?

CMCDragonkai 2y ago

When he's talking about robots machine learning motions beyond simple poses and human created grammars, it reminded me of when Offensive bias was free to maneuver it's ships in ways that would be fatal to its occupants after the Halo rings fired. I guess the same will be true of full autonomous war drones.