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My views on the intersection of (chart overlap on the manifold between) the Tao of Jigokuraku and the Action of Hamilton (as filtered through the syllabus taugh
by 082349872349872 2y ago
My views on the intersection of (chart overlap on the manifold between) the Tao of Jigokuraku and the Action of Hamilton (as filtered through the syllabus taught according to the Fédération Française d’Escrime):
- a swordsman's Dao/chi/posture is an open in phase space. (in particular, the traditional location of the dantien is suspiciously coincident with the centre of gravity[0])
- a duel is a system tensoring the chi of both participants.
- 戦場ではラグランジュ力学はその場で調達する
which together imply:
- the greater the chi, the higher the entropy, the more possible futures
- one should not look for eigenvectors of the participants alone, but the eigenvectors of their symmetric and antisymmetric combinations. in particular, one attempts to rotate in phase space so that one's control vector is greater than one's opponent's over distance/ma/{whatever this is in chinese}.
- "waves" in the Dao are phase evolutions in phase space. Mei says "strong, strong: no way — Tao: strong, weak" because (absent superhuman energy sources and musculoskeletal constraints) strong motions are necessarily low frequency and hence low entropy, while weak motions give access to the high frequency, high entropy[1] domain.
There's also an impedance notion in play, as mentioned in Jigokuraku: if you are too "strong"[2] you won't sense (« le sentiment du fer »[3,4]) your opponent's techniques, only their sword (and definitely not their spirit!). It takes dialing down far towards "weak"[5] to ascertain their spirit[6].
Around eps 9-10 of the anime, the humans in Jigokuraku begin to read the Tensen's Dao, but I think even earlier there's an occasion where Sagiri realises a Tensen is reading hers, and so (as I mentioned to you I've used profitably) she dials down her spirit, her intentions, so her Dao cannot betray her: no intent, no tells, no betrayal.
Similarly, the FFE teaches that you[7] should be surprised by your own attacks, finding yourself in media res with them already launched...
[0] when I was playing kid's football, they always told me to look at an opponent's belt buckle for the same reason: it's easy to throw fakes with arms and legs, but faking with the dantien is hideously energetically expensive.
[1] I was never a seriously competitive fencer, for whom pistol grips are de rigueur, so I tried to learn the french grip, and when it works it's beautiful because you can do things with the hand that you can't with a pistol grip. (this is partly a defense against time: you can have very satisfying bouts with older people by forgoing use of the legs, turning it into a contest of hand vs hand, where they remain very strong)
[2] I believe the former 3-dan All-Japan Champion's problem, in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HPDAFqN74A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HPDAFqN74A , at 8-dan is exactly this: he is used to winning by overpowering the opponent, whereas at 8-dan the examiners want to see that you can shape the match: deliberately allowing, not opportunistically forcing, your opponent to make mistakes.
[3] consider also the notion of having a "round heart": too strong, and your heart is very ellipsoidal... (which ties in with controlling the system variables in phase space, not just your own)
[4] sentiment du fer is very interesting, because 24 frames per second fool the eye, and the ear doesn't notice 22+ kHz, but touch has way better temporal resolution
[5] like a good tango lead, a good epeeist should be feline: not snappy but stalking. Bonaparte is quoted as recommending: "while your opponent is making a mistake — don't interrupt them!"
[6] a former olympian once told me he believes that it's after people are on the piste (all in white and masked) that you see their character — instead of perceiving mostly what they portray, when standing around in street clothes. (the TV audience has a very different opinion; does inability of, or disinterest in, perceiving Dao correlate with them being on a couch, watching the bouts?)
[7] compare "me" and "not-me" from Island!
- gsf_emergency 2y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42387107 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42387107
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- gsf_emergency 2y ago[7] You can tell me Heinlein wrote island and I could believe it but I perhaps shouldnt [-1,4] imagine, as a machine, your opponent knowing (suspecting?) you can watch him from behind (or from inside his mind, more realistically/usefully, but from behind could be terrifying) [-4, maybe -3] tech debt is not entropy, but sophistication?
- 082349872349872 2y agoHuxley and Heinlein were born only 13 years apart, so now, over a century later, maybe we can lump them into, if not the same generation, at least the same Zeitgeist. Somewhere I'd read about a fighting-game AI which had access to all of the human player data (so not the spirit, but knowing the joystick inputs would be a good proxy for "pwn the technique") and was unbeatable, so the programmers nerfed it by giving it only a noisy representation of the human player's avatar's outputs, at which point it returned to satisfyingly mortal. Doesn't 三体 touch upon (sophons/wallfacers) a watch-from-inside/behind opponent? Tech debt as sophistication would explain its sign flip over time! It also gives a metaphor perhaps better than "paying off tech debt": it's good if a program is a bit witty, but bad when it starts smelling of the lamp? > "In the long run, every program becomes rococo, and then rubble." —AJP EDIT: Re: [-1,4] Just as implication allows only 3 possibilities out of 4, my wife likes to say (see also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42329631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42329631 ) that when riding, there should be 2 bodies but 3 minds: what you know, what the horse knows you know, and what you know the horse knows. The rider should have an accurate model of the horse's attention and intentions, but not the other way around. (in particular, you might be very worried about an emergency situation, but the horse should never realise this) I believe this habit helped her with her fencing, because there also we are attempting to hide some aspects of our attention and intentions from someone who is very closely monitoring our posture, in order to discern them. EDIT2: just as a prelude to a comment on distance: napoleonic sabre cavalry was terrified of an opponent coming up from behind left (strong to their weak) — that's why all the dashing portraits with jackets/cloaks "jauntily" thrown over the left shoulder; ultimately the fashion was very practical, both for defence and for impressing the ladies. Lermontov's karakul nabadi is a particular instance. Налетели ветры злые. Да с восточной стороны И сорвали тёмну шапку Ой да с моей буйной головы. Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urjAwPfFPqU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urjAwPfFPqU