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Here’s a Canadian man who had to wait many hours in the ER, went home instead, died https://www.newsweek.com/adam-burgoyne-death-aneurysm-canada-healthcare-bria

Here’s a Canadian man who had to wait many hours in the ER, went home instead, died https://www.newsweek.com/adam-burgoyne-death-aneurysm-canada-healthcare-brian-thompson-2000545 https://www.newsweek.com/adam-burgoyne-death-aneurysm-canada... He would have been saved in the US. If health insurers ration care in the US, they are just replacing the role of bureaucrats in socialized medicine countries. You can’t solve the problem of too much demand and too little supply without a free market. Yet everyone keeps trying (and pretending) in the medical care field

moribvndvs 2y ago
Uh, health insurers in the US do actually ration care. You can consult the seething masses for the care denied to themselves or loved ones by your free market paragon. Besides, the article isn’t even advocating socialized healthcare.
mindslight 2y ago
> once they made sure I wasn't dying I was thrown out into the waiting room and 6 hours later I said f*ck it and went home. Have you been to an "emergency" room in the US? The ones I'm familiar with have those same kind of waiting times. Our healthcare system basically has both the worst aspects of "government" (extremely bureaucratized, top-down command, and no market dynamics) plus the worst aspects of "private" (profit skimming and no democratic accountability). Personally I think we need to start with reform focused on the provider side - like why the fuck can providers just send you a bevy of bills with fraudulent charges, making it your responsibility to sort out? In any other industry, that would be considered plain fraud. But this doesn't mean I'm going to shout down other people's ideas of where they think reform should start by bringing up failures from other systems as some imagined contrast where our system is at all effective.

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Here’s a Canadian man who had to wait many hours in the ER, went home instead, died https://www.newsweek.com/adam-burgoyne-death-aneurysm-canada-healthcare-bria

by monero-xmr 2y ago

moribvndvs 2y ago
Uh, health insurers in the US do actually ration care. You can consult the seething masses for the care denied to themselves or loved ones by your free market paragon. Besides, the article isn’t even advocating socialized healthcare.
mindslight 2y ago
> once they made sure I wasn't dying I was thrown out into the waiting room and 6 hours later I said f*ck it and went home. Have you been to an "emergency" room in the US? The ones I'm familiar with have those same kind of waiting times. Our healthcare system basically has both the worst aspects of "government" (extremely bureaucratized, top-down command, and no market dynamics) plus the worst aspects of "private" (profit skimming and no democratic accountability). Personally I think we need to start with reform focused on the provider side - like why the fuck can providers just send you a bevy of bills with fraudulent charges, making it your responsibility to sort out? In any other industry, that would be considered plain fraud. But this doesn't mean I'm going to shout down other people's ideas of where they think reform should start by bringing up failures from other systems as some imagined contrast where our system is at all effective.