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> took it upon themselves to provide that functionality via a utility. That utility is apparently non-functional in 15.2. Apple turning our devices into jail c

> took it upon themselves to provide that functionality via a utility. That utility is apparently non-functional in 15.2. Apple turning our devices into jail cells. These tech titans need to be regulated. We should be able to install whatever we want on Mac, iPhone, and Android. To be able to back up whatever we want, install from web, not be forced to use app stores, not be forced to sync with the cloud, and not be forced to use first party software.

lxgr 2y ago
You are able to do and install what you want on a Mac (although for some things, you’d have to disable SIP), unlike on iOS. I’m not the biggest fan of the grip Apple has on iOS, but this seems less of a case of platform protectionism, and more one of not wanting to (implicitly) support low-level interfaces/implicit APIs that are becoming hard to support for whatever reason. Definitely annoying, but almost every OS does that at some point.
talldayo 2y ago
> Apple turning our devices into jail cells. > These tech titans need to be regulated. You say this as though anyone buying a Macbook in the past decade reserves the right to be surprised. New Trump administration isn't going to budge on this - he's actually rather upset at the EU for how they've been treating his good friend Tim Apple. Chances are, he likes this lockdown and wants Americans to accept it. If you're an American owner of Apple hardware, you've involuntarily signed yourself up for the Apple Isolationist program. There is no government to save you, and no god Apple will answer to.
- beretguy 2y ago
  > If you're an American owner of Apple hardware, you've involuntarily signed yourself up for the Apple Isolationist program. I use iPhone because I try not to use any Google products. I didn't sign up for no nothing, I have no other choice.
  - rahkiin 2y ago
    Tried a fairphone with graphene?
philistine 2y ago
There is a technical reason that greatly benefits the user. The ability to guarantee the OS is unchanged, and to restore to factory defaults like on an iPhone are great benefits. Regulations on our OSes means we end up with Microsoft refusing to limit access to the kernel not to displease the EU, which led to the Crowdstrike outage.
- GeekyBear 2y ago
  The EU objected to Microsoft having access to APIs that third party developers did not. There has been no EU objection to creating new security APIs that would be accessable to Microsoft and third party developers. As far as MacOS goes, you can't infect the system files with malware when the whole partition they live on cannot be modified by anything but the OS, which does indeed seem like a valid technical reason.
- j45 2y ago
  A point is being missed here; The user, nor the provider of hardware/software can be hostile towards each other. Here's why: The cloud is someone else's computer, not yours. It's a shared drawer that you get a key to, but so do many others. If our main access to your drawer is through the programs on our computer, it also can be limited and broken for hours, days, or weeks while under repair. I'm not sure how many laptops you've owned (personal and work), it seems once people get past 5-10, we are basically buying the death of the device at the first moment we open a new laptop. It's my device. I pay for it. I own it. I use it how I want. Being protected from myself is fine. Being protected from external internet threats is fine. Having a switch to bypass it is mandatory. Non negotiable. Instant deal breaker. More realistically, MacOS is possibly * being shuttered, sequestered to get locked down to make adopting iOS / iPadOS type OS on the macbooks directly instead. Windows tried to dictate when my computer should update and not do anything else, so I left. It's unforgivable. This was well before any policies to manage it cam eout.
  - emchammer 2y ago
    There are many difficult technical and other important considerations and trade-offs and I think that Apple is answering them the majority of them as best it can. There are major benefits to having the kind of integration that Apple has, for example, the security chip and the wifi obviates theft of laptops and phones. You cannot get that with the traditional "PC starting from a boot partition" model. I lost a lot of respect for Apple when they seemingly limited the AirDrop sharing time coinciding with the protests against the government in China. I dread to think about what kind of compromises Tim Apple has made for the government of China, but then, there are many people who install and use TikTok voluntarily. It's fun to think about what if The Cloud™ was like a technoir IPFS running on top of peer-to-peer radio. You can make a decision to get out of your driveway huffing your new car's smell, and drive somewhere dirty with it.

lxgr 2y ago

You are able to do and install what you want on a Mac (although for some things, you’d have to disable SIP), unlike on iOS. I’m not the biggest fan of the grip Apple has on iOS, but this seems less of a case of platform protectionism, and more one of not wanting to (implicitly) support low-level interfaces/implicit APIs that are becoming hard to support for whatever reason. Definitely annoying, but almost every OS does that at some point.

talldayo 2y ago

> Apple turning our devices into jail cells. > These tech titans need to be regulated. You say this as though anyone buying a Macbook in the past decade reserves the right to be surprised. New Trump administration isn't going to budge on this - he's actually rather upset at the EU for how they've been treating his good friend Tim Apple. Chances are, he likes this lockdown and wants Americans to accept it. If you're an American owner of Apple hardware, you've involuntarily signed yourself up for the Apple Isolationist program. There is no government to save you, and no god Apple will answer to.

beretguy 2y ago
> If you're an American owner of Apple hardware, you've involuntarily signed yourself up for the Apple Isolationist program. I use iPhone because I try not to use any Google products. I didn't sign up for no nothing, I have no other choice.
- rahkiin 2y ago
  Tried a fairphone with graphene?

philistine 2y ago

There is a technical reason that greatly benefits the user. The ability to guarantee the OS is unchanged, and to restore to factory defaults like on an iPhone are great benefits. Regulations on our OSes means we end up with Microsoft refusing to limit access to the kernel not to displease the EU, which led to the Crowdstrike outage.

GeekyBear 2y ago
The EU objected to Microsoft having access to APIs that third party developers did not. There has been no EU objection to creating new security APIs that would be accessable to Microsoft and third party developers. As far as MacOS goes, you can't infect the system files with malware when the whole partition they live on cannot be modified by anything but the OS, which does indeed seem like a valid technical reason.
j45 2y ago
A point is being missed here; The user, nor the provider of hardware/software can be hostile towards each other. Here's why: The cloud is someone else's computer, not yours. It's a shared drawer that you get a key to, but so do many others. If our main access to your drawer is through the programs on our computer, it also can be limited and broken for hours, days, or weeks while under repair. I'm not sure how many laptops you've owned (personal and work), it seems once people get past 5-10, we are basically buying the death of the device at the first moment we open a new laptop. It's my device. I pay for it. I own it. I use it how I want. Being protected from myself is fine. Being protected from external internet threats is fine. Having a switch to bypass it is mandatory. Non negotiable. Instant deal breaker. More realistically, MacOS is possibly * being shuttered, sequestered to get locked down to make adopting iOS / iPadOS type OS on the macbooks directly instead. Windows tried to dictate when my computer should update and not do anything else, so I left. It's unforgivable. This was well before any policies to manage it cam eout.
- emchammer 2y ago
  There are many difficult technical and other important considerations and trade-offs and I think that Apple is answering them the majority of them as best it can. There are major benefits to having the kind of integration that Apple has, for example, the security chip and the wifi obviates theft of laptops and phones. You cannot get that with the traditional "PC starting from a boot partition" model. I lost a lot of respect for Apple when they seemingly limited the AirDrop sharing time coinciding with the protests against the government in China. I dread to think about what kind of compromises Tim Apple has made for the government of China, but then, there are many people who install and use TikTok voluntarily. It's fun to think about what if The Cloud™ was like a technoir IPFS running on top of peer-to-peer radio. You can make a decision to get out of your driveway huffing your new car's smell, and drive somewhere dirty with it.