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Its complex cause you cant really find one person to blame. What no one really says is we are struggling with complexity overload. And what complicates it is al
by hsbshs 2y ago
Its complex cause you cant really find one person to blame. What no one really says is we are struggling with complexity overload. And what complicates it is all the people's wealth and status accumulation falsely signals control. When they really have less and less control the more complex the system gets.
When you look at pentagon leaders and afg/iraq or Wall St CEOs and 2008 gfc or the Pope and the peado army or linux kernel maintainers and serious security bugs found everyday the commonality is Complexity.
No one is fit the more complex things gets. So even though we get Tahrir Square once in a while, decade later we still have Generals in charge.
Scaling has become easy but scaling without unintended costs and consequences the past few decades have shown is complex.
- callc 2y agoSure, attempting to find one or a handful of bad actors to blame may not yield a sufficient result that could convince the public that justice was served appropriately. Yet, the complexity of how to blame should not absolve the crime. How should society collectively administer punishment to a large complex network of individuals with varying degrees of power and involvement? Reparations and the Nuremberg Trials / Tokyo Trial come to mind for WWII Axis powers. 500k deaths from opiods (taken from top comment) is comparable to the casualties from WWII, within a soberingly low amount of significant digits. Japan was occupied and could not have a military for some time. Curious if there are other ideas of how to tackle punishment of businesses (not Luigi'ing it).
- hsbshs 2y agoWell there is the Chinese and Russian example. The power just gets misused and creates it own issues. People want simple and quick solutions. And they dont like answers they dont want to hear. Specifically about what behavior is rewarded and incentivized. As Veblen pointed out a hundred years ago, the flaw with Marx is not that there are exploiters and the exploited, its that there is the Leisure class and everyone else who given a choice wants that lifestyle. The entire media and edu system promote consumption, wealth and status accumulation 24x7. When you are constantly hit with these signals punishing a few people here and there is just for show.
- salawat 2y agoYou say we can't find anyone responsible as if we haven't settled the question on culpability symbolically since we started leveraging hierarchies. You oversee it. You did it. Start at the top. Move down. Heavy is the head, as they say.
- noisy_boy 2y ago> Its complex cause you cant really find one person to blame. When the big bucks go to the very top for a successful year, the penalty should also go to the very top when shit hits the fan. When the CEO/CIO/COO's bonuses are on the hook, I suspect you will suddenly see a great urgency/importance being assigned to doing things correctly and greater penalty being levied down the ranks for doing things wrongly. These people had too much carrot, time to balance it out with some stick.
- throwaway562if1 2y agoIt's trivial to find who to blame - just follow the money. Hit the investors with sentences proportional to their stake of ownership, and just like magic, executives who enable criminal behavior will become rather less popular and internal oversight much more so. Of course this will never happen, since the lack of culpability is the point.
- theoreticalmal 2y agoI’d really rather not jail people who didn’t do anything illegal