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managed software, managed hardware, managed people

by iamnotsure 2y ago

khana 2y ago
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floydnoel 2y ago
are you an anarchist, then? i am curious
- __MatrixMan__ 2y ago
  I question the sanity of anyone who takes a good hard look at the world around them and isn't a little bit of an anarchist.
alwayslikethis 2y ago
One of the worst things about the move to smartphones is the inability to make full backups. I don't understand. It's my own device, all the data belongs to me, and I should be able to back it up whenever I want.
- realusername 2y ago
  Some data is even completely unaccessible, like the app usage on Android. You can view it, but you can't export it in any shape or form.
  - alwayslikethis 2y ago
    It seems like you can, with the usageDirect app.
- Reason077 2y ago
  It’s very easy on iOS to make a backup of your phone including all apps, settings, and data. Either to the cloud to locally to your own storage. What am I missing?
  - alwayslikethis 2y ago
    You never had chat apps that don't let you back up the chats? How about login tokens, authentications? That counts too. Are you able to roll them back selectively when an app misbehaves?
  - wombatpm 2y ago
    Cloud does not work. If you have an app that is no longer available in the App Store, when you install from a backup you are out of luck because that app can’t be downloaded from the App Store. If you choose to manage your phone from a Mac, then you can save a full backup.
    - Reason077 2y ago
      It's not a binary choice: you can do a full local device backup occasionally and still use iCloud. That way you'll have saved copies of old apps available in case they get discontinued on the app store.
  - password4321 2y ago
    FYI for anyone who just needs to backup using a Windows machine (for me: download hundreds/thousands of photos reliably), iMazing has worked well enough.
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    Unless something changed I believe on macos it has to back up to the system drive. I paid my $200 premium to get my 1tb drive on my laptop and my ios backups take up like 30% of that outright. In a perfect world I’d have a server that everything gets dumped to but macos and ios do not make that sort of setup very easy. There’s this ios issue. And people report issues with time machine over network. The whole ecosystem is a little screwed up. But yet I want their hardware so here I am dealing with the hoops they make me jump through. Always some poorly documented issue I run into like with their launchd or all the bullshit they make us now deal with for “security”. No issues when I write for work on centos of course, a proper os. What I would do for a macbook that shipped with no os.
- duxup 2y ago
  Back when I used to play with roms in the Android world being able to back things up was neat… but also took a ton of space and was crazy cumbersome. I kinda prefer iCloud style backups.
- catlikesshrimp 2y ago
  That is why many people complain about not really owning the device. And some others defend not owning the device because - cool reasons; and if someone owns his own device that breaks the magic for everyone involved, somehow /s Do something about it? Get an Android phone you can root and own your device; And if you feel you are missing something, slap an apple sticker on the back /s
- ClassyJacket 2y ago
  Even worse, now some apps are not allowing screenshots. That's bullshit, it's my phone, I should be able to screenshot whatever the hell I want.
  - josephcsible 2y ago
    I'm not sure why you're being downvoted. You're 100% right. Android lets apps block screenshots with FLAG_SECURE, and iOS does too with https://github.com/JayantBadlani/ScreenShield https://github.com/JayantBadlani/ScreenShield, and neither one gives the owner of the phone a way to override that.
  - Pikamander2 2y ago
    The wildest one I've seen is Chrome on Android not allowing screenshots in Incognito mode. I'm struggling to understand the rationale there except maybe to prevent people from accidentally screenshotting sensitive stuff like porn or domestic violence resources? Either way, it's really not something the app should have control over.
    - ahartmetz 2y ago
      My guess would be to stop surveillance apps from taking screenshots - is that a thing?
- lopkeny12ko 2y ago
  > the inability to make full backups Says who? I have been using this for years: adb backup -f backup.ab -apk -noshared -all -system
  - alwayslikethis 2y ago
    Apps can stop you from doing it, and many will, then it fails silently. It's also a deprecated feature. When I mean a full backup, I mean a bit for bit identical copy, not what the app developers think you should be able to access.
  - josephcsible 2y ago
    The issue is that Android lets app developers set <application android:allowBackup="false">, and doesn't give the owner a way to override that. Your command will just skip any such apps.
- userbinator 2y ago
  It's my own device That's what you think, but based on the actions of the companies doing this stuff, clearly they don't and strongly want you to be happy with owning nothing.
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managed software, managed hardware, managed people

khana 2y ago

[dead]

floydnoel 2y ago

are you an anarchist, then? i am curious

__MatrixMan__ 2y ago
I question the sanity of anyone who takes a good hard look at the world around them and isn't a little bit of an anarchist.

alwayslikethis 2y ago

One of the worst things about the move to smartphones is the inability to make full backups. I don't understand. It's my own device, all the data belongs to me, and I should be able to back it up whenever I want.

realusername 2y ago
Some data is even completely unaccessible, like the app usage on Android. You can view it, but you can't export it in any shape or form.
- alwayslikethis 2y ago
  It seems like you can, with the usageDirect app.
Reason077 2y ago
It’s very easy on iOS to make a backup of your phone including all apps, settings, and data. Either to the cloud to locally to your own storage. What am I missing?
- alwayslikethis 2y ago
  You never had chat apps that don't let you back up the chats? How about login tokens, authentications? That counts too. Are you able to roll them back selectively when an app misbehaves?
- wombatpm 2y ago
  Cloud does not work. If you have an app that is no longer available in the App Store, when you install from a backup you are out of luck because that app can’t be downloaded from the App Store. If you choose to manage your phone from a Mac, then you can save a full backup.
  - Reason077 2y ago
    It's not a binary choice: you can do a full local device backup occasionally and still use iCloud. That way you'll have saved copies of old apps available in case they get discontinued on the app store.
- password4321 2y ago
  FYI for anyone who just needs to backup using a Windows machine (for me: download hundreds/thousands of photos reliably), iMazing has worked well enough.
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  Unless something changed I believe on macos it has to back up to the system drive. I paid my $200 premium to get my 1tb drive on my laptop and my ios backups take up like 30% of that outright. In a perfect world I’d have a server that everything gets dumped to but macos and ios do not make that sort of setup very easy. There’s this ios issue. And people report issues with time machine over network. The whole ecosystem is a little screwed up. But yet I want their hardware so here I am dealing with the hoops they make me jump through. Always some poorly documented issue I run into like with their launchd or all the bullshit they make us now deal with for “security”. No issues when I write for work on centos of course, a proper os. What I would do for a macbook that shipped with no os.
duxup 2y ago
Back when I used to play with roms in the Android world being able to back things up was neat… but also took a ton of space and was crazy cumbersome. I kinda prefer iCloud style backups.
catlikesshrimp 2y ago
That is why many people complain about not really owning the device. And some others defend not owning the device because - cool reasons; and if someone owns his own device that breaks the magic for everyone involved, somehow /s Do something about it? Get an Android phone you can root and own your device; And if you feel you are missing something, slap an apple sticker on the back /s
ClassyJacket 2y ago
Even worse, now some apps are not allowing screenshots. That's bullshit, it's my phone, I should be able to screenshot whatever the hell I want.
- josephcsible 2y ago
  I'm not sure why you're being downvoted. You're 100% right. Android lets apps block screenshots with FLAG_SECURE, and iOS does too with https://github.com/JayantBadlani/ScreenShield https://github.com/JayantBadlani/ScreenShield, and neither one gives the owner of the phone a way to override that.
- Pikamander2 2y ago
  The wildest one I've seen is Chrome on Android not allowing screenshots in Incognito mode. I'm struggling to understand the rationale there except maybe to prevent people from accidentally screenshotting sensitive stuff like porn or domestic violence resources? Either way, it's really not something the app should have control over.
  - ahartmetz 2y ago
    My guess would be to stop surveillance apps from taking screenshots - is that a thing?
lopkeny12ko 2y ago
> the inability to make full backups Says who? I have been using this for years: adb backup -f backup.ab -apk -noshared -all -system
- alwayslikethis 2y ago
  Apps can stop you from doing it, and many will, then it fails silently. It's also a deprecated feature. When I mean a full backup, I mean a bit for bit identical copy, not what the app developers think you should be able to access.
- josephcsible 2y ago
  The issue is that Android lets app developers set <application android:allowBackup="false">, and doesn't give the owner a way to override that. Your command will just skip any such apps.
userbinator 2y ago
It's my own device That's what you think, but based on the actions of the companies doing this stuff, clearly they don't and strongly want you to be happy with owning nothing.

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