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What if you'd die from a genuine accident?

by Fnoord 2y ago

noworriesnate 2y ago
Then there's no more point to keeping that leverage, is there? Might as well make it freely available.
addicted 2y ago
You still release it?
- _blk 2y ago
  That's the whole point, otherwise it's not safe against "make it look like an accident."
  - riwsky 2y ago
    Crash-only peopleware
  - Fnoord 2y ago
    Creates a feedback loop to make any death of a whistleblower statistically look like a conspiracy.
    - stavros 2y ago
      That's the second best incentive you have, after "making sure they don't die".
maeil 2y ago
I'd love to see a statistical analysis of whistleblower deaths on the US over the last 15 years. I'd be extremely susprised if it wasn't enormously anomalous.
- kremi 2y ago
  It’d be hard to draw any conclusion. A whistleblower must be under extreme stress and pressure which in itself in some way or other will increase the risk of death — so that has to be taken account before saying the plausible cause for the excess deaths is assassination.
  - draugadrotten 2y ago
    Let's start with keeping the whistleblowers alive and we have more time to figure out the cause and effect later.
    - Bluestein 2y ago
      Point.-
    - chollida1 2y ago
      Are you suggesting we put them all under suicide watch? How would we keep these people from killing themselves otherwise? This guy had plenty of money for a therapist to help with his mental health issues. What more do you think we could we do for them?
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      How? do we lock them up?
  - ethbr1 2y ago
    If whistleblowers are committing suicide at abnormal rates, then maybe we should provide them with more mental health support as a public good. Publicly making claims and being named as a potential witness in a court case seems a clear line. F.ex. the resources listed on the US House's Whistleblower Ombuds page: https://whistleblower.house.gov/whistleblower-support-organizations https://whistleblower.house.gov/whistleblower-support-organi...
dmurray 2y ago
I was intending to release the information, so releasing it when I'm dead seems fine. So why didn't I immediately publish it all while alive? Perhaps I preferred to control the flow of information, redact certain parts, or extort the organisation I was blowing the whistle on. None of those seem all that important to me compared to deterring people from assassinating me in the first place.
- pavel_lishin 2y ago
  Right. There's no reason to let your opponent see the cards you're holding.

What if you'd die from a genuine accident?

by Fnoord 2y ago

What if you'd die from a genuine accident?

noworriesnate 2y ago

Then there's no more point to keeping that leverage, is there? Might as well make it freely available.

addicted 2y ago

You still release it?

_blk 2y ago
That's the whole point, otherwise it's not safe against "make it look like an accident."
- riwsky 2y ago
  Crash-only peopleware
- Fnoord 2y ago
  Creates a feedback loop to make any death of a whistleblower statistically look like a conspiracy.
  - stavros 2y ago
    That's the second best incentive you have, after "making sure they don't die".

maeil 2y ago

I'd love to see a statistical analysis of whistleblower deaths on the US over the last 15 years. I'd be extremely susprised if it wasn't enormously anomalous.

kremi 2y ago
It’d be hard to draw any conclusion. A whistleblower must be under extreme stress and pressure which in itself in some way or other will increase the risk of death — so that has to be taken account before saying the plausible cause for the excess deaths is assassination.
- draugadrotten 2y ago
  Let's start with keeping the whistleblowers alive and we have more time to figure out the cause and effect later.
  - Bluestein 2y ago
    Point.-
  - chollida1 2y ago
    Are you suggesting we put them all under suicide watch? How would we keep these people from killing themselves otherwise? This guy had plenty of money for a therapist to help with his mental health issues. What more do you think we could we do for them?
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    How? do we lock them up?
- ethbr1 2y ago
  If whistleblowers are committing suicide at abnormal rates, then maybe we should provide them with more mental health support as a public good. Publicly making claims and being named as a potential witness in a court case seems a clear line. F.ex. the resources listed on the US House's Whistleblower Ombuds page: https://whistleblower.house.gov/whistleblower-support-organizations https://whistleblower.house.gov/whistleblower-support-organi...

dmurray 2y ago

I was intending to release the information, so releasing it when I'm dead seems fine. So why didn't I immediately publish it all while alive? Perhaps I preferred to control the flow of information, redact certain parts, or extort the organisation I was blowing the whistle on. None of those seem all that important to me compared to deterring people from assassinating me in the first place.

pavel_lishin 2y ago
Right. There's no reason to let your opponent see the cards you're holding.