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> It's very naive to believe in 'European press'. To get the idea check Ukrainian war coverage. What you'll see first is how single sided it is. This is such a

> It's very naive to believe in 'European press'. To get the idea check Ukrainian war coverage. What you'll see first is how single sided it is. This is such a wild take from my POV, a person in the EU. Have you considered the possibility that the nearest imperialist power beginning to violently invade Europe again is likely to trigger a common reaction? This is one of those rare cases in modern history where there is a clear right vs. wrong. What exactly do you expect the news to talk about that is less “single sided?”

bubaumba 2y ago
I can explain a bit. Russians living in Empire of Evil can see all internet including US and EU news. At the same time 'Putin propaganda' channels are blocked in EU. In EU only one side is available. This creates an information bubble, as intended. Which is a basic crowd control technique used to drive public opinion. In this case to support the war. The result is obvious, EU polls show much stronger support than the rest of the world. Even though media claims most of the world is against Putin, if you look at the map it's only minority, NATO and a few allies. In some EU countries it's even a crime look through the bubble's wall. Most don't realize it even exists. They accept the arguments from their politicians. Like it's a business opportunity, or it's a cheap way to harm Putin. The price for that is hundreds of thousands of human lives on both sides. Which is generally considered as ok, as those are Russians and Ukrainians, not us. Actually media doesn't talk much about it.
- dullcrisp 2y ago
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- mylidlpony 2y ago
  Hahahaha, what? Most of western news sources are blocked in russia after they published Bucha reports. They are literally jailing people for mentioning it on personal vk pages and such.
- usea 2y ago
  Europeans having stronger opinions than others about Russia invading Europe is not evidence of a conspiracy.
- OfficeChad 2y ago
  Fuck off.
- kristiandupont 2y ago
  >In this case to support the war. while all of you Putin supporters are such a peace loving people, right?
- red_trumpet 2y ago
  > Russians living in Empire of Evil can see all internet including US and EU news. That's just not true, e.g. Russia also blocked the German propaganda channel dw.com (Deutsche Welle).
  - ulfw 2y ago
    Ah yes calling DW a propaganda channel. We found the Russian state actor account here.
    - red_trumpet 2y ago
      DW is literally the only German state owned media, financed directly by tax money. And they don't even have a German broadcast anymore. Compare this to the other German public broadcasting (ARD and ZDF), who are financed by their own (obligatory) dues ("Rundfunkbeitrag"), which is set by politics, but cannot be easily taken away from them.
    - immibis 2y ago
      Here's a litmus test for German propaganda channels: What does it say about Palestine?
- kstenerud 2y ago
  Doesn't seem to jibe with https://www.techspot.com/news/105929-russia-tests-cutting-itself-off-rest-internet-most.html https://www.techspot.com/news/105929-russia-tests-cutting-it...
- scotty79 2y ago
  > At the same time 'Putin propaganda' channels are blocked in EU. I don't think that's true. You can find a lot of that online, with or without commentary. There are even European comentators siding with adjecent views. Though it doesn't leak into European public media too much (although some of its more absurdist concepts sadly do). It's just that "the other side of the story" is something that vast majority of Europeans are repulsed by because of its intrinsic idiocy, blatant disingenuity and evilness. Some of the European countries that got out from under russian influence remember it from the times of poverty and oppression. That's where the part of the opinion bias on that subject between Europe and the rest of the world comes from. Firsthand expeirience with russia. Supporting Ukraine is both helping Ukraine with their current russian expeirience and possibly a hope of saving all future Europeans from having russian expeirience ever again.
konart 2y ago
>This is one of those rare cases in modern history where there is a clear right vs. wrong. There is no right or wrong in politics.
- McDyver 2y ago
  Yes, yes there is. It is wrong to kill or perform any violence or harm against children in any war context.
  - sssilver 2y ago
    Every single developed country today touting moral rights has its foundation in those "wrongs". Its citizens gleefully consuming the resources those "wrongs" have created, so they can preach morality online. It is the nature of life itself to "kill and perform violence", children and otherwise. "The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must". Death is, as of now, life's only mechanism for iteration in its process of endless prototyping. Every marvel that humankind has produced has its roots in extreme violence. From the creation of Ancient Greece to the creation of the United States, children had to die horrible deaths so that these things could come to be. Anyone can make arbitrary claims about what's right and what's wrong. The only way to prove such a claim is through victory, and all victory is violence against the loser.
    - ribadeo 2y ago
      Thanks for summarizing so eloquently what is WRONG with the precept that might equals right. If she floats she's a witch, if she drowns she must have been innocent is the flip side fallacy, but what you just outlined amounts to: "i am bad on purpose, what are YOU gonna do about it?" I am disgusted that this is still proferred as a valid moral philosophical principle. No. A thousand times no. The answer is A SYSTEM. The answer to bully predator logic is human society and systematic thought. This provides the capability to resist such base immorality as you and historical predators have proposed.
      - scotty79 2y ago

bubaumba 2y ago

I can explain a bit. Russians living in Empire of Evil can see all internet including US and EU news. At the same time 'Putin propaganda' channels are blocked in EU. In EU only one side is available. This creates an information bubble, as intended. Which is a basic crowd control technique used to drive public opinion. In this case to support the war. The result is obvious, EU polls show much stronger support than the rest of the world. Even though media claims most of the world is against Putin, if you look at the map it's only minority, NATO and a few allies. In some EU countries it's even a crime look through the bubble's wall. Most don't realize it even exists. They accept the arguments from their politicians. Like it's a business opportunity, or it's a cheap way to harm Putin. The price for that is hundreds of thousands of human lives on both sides. Which is generally considered as ok, as those are Russians and Ukrainians, not us. Actually media doesn't talk much about it.

dullcrisp 2y ago
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mylidlpony 2y ago
Hahahaha, what? Most of western news sources are blocked in russia after they published Bucha reports. They are literally jailing people for mentioning it on personal vk pages and such.
usea 2y ago
Europeans having stronger opinions than others about Russia invading Europe is not evidence of a conspiracy.
OfficeChad 2y ago
Fuck off.
kristiandupont 2y ago
>In this case to support the war. while all of you Putin supporters are such a peace loving people, right?
red_trumpet 2y ago
> Russians living in Empire of Evil can see all internet including US and EU news. That's just not true, e.g. Russia also blocked the German propaganda channel dw.com (Deutsche Welle).
- ulfw 2y ago
  Ah yes calling DW a propaganda channel. We found the Russian state actor account here.
  - red_trumpet 2y ago
    DW is literally the only German state owned media, financed directly by tax money. And they don't even have a German broadcast anymore. Compare this to the other German public broadcasting (ARD and ZDF), who are financed by their own (obligatory) dues ("Rundfunkbeitrag"), which is set by politics, but cannot be easily taken away from them.
  - immibis 2y ago
    Here's a litmus test for German propaganda channels: What does it say about Palestine?
kstenerud 2y ago
Doesn't seem to jibe with https://www.techspot.com/news/105929-russia-tests-cutting-itself-off-rest-internet-most.html https://www.techspot.com/news/105929-russia-tests-cutting-it...
scotty79 2y ago
> At the same time 'Putin propaganda' channels are blocked in EU. I don't think that's true. You can find a lot of that online, with or without commentary. There are even European comentators siding with adjecent views. Though it doesn't leak into European public media too much (although some of its more absurdist concepts sadly do). It's just that "the other side of the story" is something that vast majority of Europeans are repulsed by because of its intrinsic idiocy, blatant disingenuity and evilness. Some of the European countries that got out from under russian influence remember it from the times of poverty and oppression. That's where the part of the opinion bias on that subject between Europe and the rest of the world comes from. Firsthand expeirience with russia. Supporting Ukraine is both helping Ukraine with their current russian expeirience and possibly a hope of saving all future Europeans from having russian expeirience ever again.

konart 2y ago

>This is one of those rare cases in modern history where there is a clear right vs. wrong. There is no right or wrong in politics.

McDyver 2y ago
Yes, yes there is. It is wrong to kill or perform any violence or harm against children in any war context.
- sssilver 2y ago
  Every single developed country today touting moral rights has its foundation in those "wrongs". Its citizens gleefully consuming the resources those "wrongs" have created, so they can preach morality online. It is the nature of life itself to "kill and perform violence", children and otherwise. "The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must". Death is, as of now, life's only mechanism for iteration in its process of endless prototyping. Every marvel that humankind has produced has its roots in extreme violence. From the creation of Ancient Greece to the creation of the United States, children had to die horrible deaths so that these things could come to be. Anyone can make arbitrary claims about what's right and what's wrong. The only way to prove such a claim is through victory, and all victory is violence against the loser.
  - ribadeo 2y ago
    Thanks for summarizing so eloquently what is WRONG with the precept that might equals right. If she floats she's a witch, if she drowns she must have been innocent is the flip side fallacy, but what you just outlined amounts to: "i am bad on purpose, what are YOU gonna do about it?" I am disgusted that this is still proferred as a valid moral philosophical principle. No. A thousand times no. The answer is A SYSTEM. The answer to bully predator logic is human society and systematic thought. This provides the capability to resist such base immorality as you and historical predators have proposed.
    - scotty79 2y ago