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What is this about? I seem to be missing a lot of context. > Apple broke the replicator. What's the replicator? > What this means is this: until Apple fixes

by lxgr 2y ago

What is this about? I seem to be missing a lot of context. > Apple broke the replicator. What's the replicator? > What this means is this: until Apple fixes the bug, you'll have to use "Backup - all files" with "Smart Update" to copy everything but the OS. Use that where? Is that an option in some macOS tool?

jamestnz 2y ago
The article's author seems to be part of the team behind the Mac disk-cloning/backup utility, SuperDuper. https://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html https://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescriptio...
- sam1r 2y ago
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- dtgriscom 2y ago
  shirt-pocket.com and shirtpocket.com lead to the same company's website.
a2tech 2y ago
This is from the SuperDuper backup folks. SuperDuper is a tool that you can use to make bootable backups of your macOS system. Apple took away the ability for 3rd party tools to manipulate the OS and copy it to another partition/drive and took it upon themselves to provide that functionality via a utility. That utility is apparently non-functional in 15.2. So that breaks SuperDuper's ability to make a nice, clean, bootable backup of your Mac.
- deleted 2y ago
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- sam1r 2y ago
  Is this something intentional that Apple has publicly stated in some realm? AFAIK, in that case, maybe it's just a bug that they're planning to fix...
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  - sam1r 2y ago
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    - chris_wot 2y ago
      Oh, my heart bleeds for Apple.
    - a1o 2y ago
      Well, Apple has a super weird bug tracker that you can report stuff but you are kept super in the dark - I remember reporting Safari bugs in the early days of WASM and it was zero communication until the bug got fixed.
      - zeusk 2y ago
        It’s probably that they don’t want to risk leak any internal discussion. The information from the public "tracker" is just forwarded to the internal Radar and that's a one-way street.
      - EasyMark 2y ago
        it's called radar I believe and they've used it for a long long time. I always assumed it was built completely in house in the before times
        threeseed 2y ago
        I worked at Apple a while ago and it was a WebObjects app. So I would bet that it was built at NeXT and brought across. It's in the archive going back to 1999: https://web.archive.org/web/19991009144258/http://bugreport.apple.com/radarweb35/tafs/includes/RadarHelpMain.html https://web.archive.org/web/19991009144258/http://bugreport....
        2y ago
- incompatible 2y ago
  Maybe boot a Linux USB drive and use dd to copy the drive? I assume this is too easy, but I'm curious about where it fails.
  - nine_k 2y ago
    Maybe if the target device is the same part number (I assume an m.2 NVMe), that would work. IDK if it works with other drives, e.g. different capacity, let alone using a USB-attached drive. I don't know what bits, beyond the image proper, belong to the trusted signed set.
    - incompatible 2y ago
      It would just be a bit-for-bit copy, so maybe it would work? I don't know what a trusted signed set is. I'm mystified about why I'm getting downvoted for that question. If it's inadvertently stupid of insulting to Apple users, wouldn't an explanation be more useful then trying to censor it?
      - nunez 2y ago
        Is it possible to boot a Linux Live CD on Apple Silicon Macs?
        incompatible 2y ago
        I think Linux runs on Apple hardware? I could be out of date, and it's completely locked-down these days. Edit: I suppose it could explain the downvoting. "Apple doesn't let us boot Linux, you insensitive clod!"
- echelon 2y ago
  > took it upon themselves to provide that functionality via a utility. That utility is apparently non-functional in 15.2. Apple turning our devices into jail cells. These tech titans need to be regulated. We should be able to install whatever we want on Mac, iPhone, and Android. To be able to back up whatever we want, install from web, not be forced to use app stores, not be forced to sync with the cloud, and not be forced to use first party software.
  - lxgr 2y ago
    You are able to do and install what you want on a Mac (although for some things, you’d have to disable SIP), unlike on iOS. I’m not the biggest fan of the grip Apple has on iOS, but this seems less of a case of platform protectionism, and more one of not wanting to (implicitly) support low-level interfaces/implicit APIs that are becoming hard to support for whatever reason. Definitely annoying, but almost every OS does that at some point.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    > Apple turning our devices into jail cells. > These tech titans need to be regulated. You say this as though anyone buying a Macbook in the past decade reserves the right to be surprised. New Trump administration isn't going to budge on this - he's actually rather upset at the EU for how they've been treating his good friend Tim Apple. Chances are, he likes this lockdown and wants Americans to accept it. If you're an American owner of Apple hardware, you've involuntarily signed yourself up for the Apple Isolationist program. There is no government to save you, and no god Apple will answer to.
    - beretguy 2y ago
      > If you're an American owner of Apple hardware, you've involuntarily signed yourself up for the Apple Isolationist program. I use iPhone because I try not to use any Google products. I didn't sign up for no nothing, I have no other choice.
      - rahkiin 2y ago
- owlbite 2y ago
  Do we know if this was a bug in the beta releases of 15.2, or did it manifest only in the final version?
- j45 2y ago
  I wonder if Carbon Copy Cloner is affected. Having bootable backups was the only reason I ever moved to a Mac. This means, a backup of my computer created using something like Carbon Copy Cloner, or SuperDuper backup when plugged into any other Mac, and it would boot as my computer. Also known as Target Disk Mode booting off this backup. Indispensible when or if my laptop was in for repair with Apple.
  - cosmotic 2y ago
    TimeMachine is a pretty good second option. It's not bootable itself, but the recovery console on any mac can ingest a time machine backup and get you back up and running quite quickly. The benefit here is that it's free, trivial to setup, and very easy to keep running; Given an empty disk, plug it in, click one button, done.
    - j45 2y ago
      Time Machine is OK as secondary, never primary, or the sole option. Having Target Disc Mode and Target Display Mode on a Mac are two of probably the 4 reasons I switched to a Mac from Windows. Skitch was the other, and CC/SuperDuper was the 4th. I had tolerated my last windows laptop dying :) Multiple copies of multiple types of backups is the only way. I have always maintained a CarbonCopy/SuperDuper at all times, plus a Time Machine that I cared far less about. Time Machine is my desperate fall back. Time Machine backups haven't always been super reliable, nor is the recovery time to restore acceptable. I'm sure it's gotten better, but enough for me to forget what it hasn't done in the past? Doubt it. Time Machine is kind OK for set it and forget it backup to a NAS or something. I didn't find as much value in Time Machine to a dedicated external drive since it had the risk of being the only backup, and it's not a backup if there's only one copy. Time machine's limited utility of use when there is an emergency on an external drive, compared to SuperDuper/Carbon Copy Cloner which is you are up in minutes not hours or days while you figure out what is going.. Having a Carbon Copy/Super Duper external drive sitting at one of your desks that's regularly plugged in gives you a live replica should anything happen. Time Machine has it's own history of issues: https://www.google.com/search?q=time+machine+backup+issues https://www.google.com/search?q=time+machine+backup+issues
griomnib 2y ago
Apple’s built-in backup solution is called Time Machine. It was dogshit when it launched a decade ago, never got more reliable despite many OS releases, and is still largely dogshit. The author of the blog makes an application that is very good at making backups on macOS and now their app is broken due to skullduggery by Apple. So the issue is threefold: a) Apple further turning MascOS into iPhone, b) this harms competition, and c) users ultimately suffer because Apple has no incentive to get better.
- threeseed 2y ago
  Or it's the same thing that has been happening for 15 years. People install .0, .1 or .2 release. Complain about bugs. Bugs get fixed. Repeat.
  - nrabulinski 2y ago
    Some might think this is what the beta is for but I guess not. Let’s excuse the multi trillion dollar company for releasing broken software, each release being more broken than the previous one
    - dwaite 2y ago
      That Super Duper post didn't indicate whether they filed feedback during the beta or not.
  - randyrand 2y ago
    It's gotten so bad I normally wait until 0.7 (final release).
- lxgr 2y ago
  Time Machine is really quite good, all things considered. I’d be very happy if Apple were to bring it to iOS, but obviously they’ll never cannibalise their iCloud storage subscription business.
  - RandomThoughts3 2y ago
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by lxgr 2y ago

jamestnz 2y ago

The article's author seems to be part of the team behind the Mac disk-cloning/backup utility, SuperDuper. https://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html https://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescriptio...

sam1r 2y ago
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dtgriscom 2y ago
shirt-pocket.com and shirtpocket.com lead to the same company's website.

a2tech 2y ago

This is from the SuperDuper backup folks. SuperDuper is a tool that you can use to make bootable backups of your macOS system. Apple took away the ability for 3rd party tools to manipulate the OS and copy it to another partition/drive and took it upon themselves to provide that functionality via a utility. That utility is apparently non-functional in 15.2. So that breaks SuperDuper's ability to make a nice, clean, bootable backup of your Mac.

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sam1r 2y ago
Is this something intentional that Apple has publicly stated in some realm? AFAIK, in that case, maybe it's just a bug that they're planning to fix...
- deleted 2y ago
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- sam1r 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - chris_wot 2y ago
    Oh, my heart bleeds for Apple.
  - a1o 2y ago
    Well, Apple has a super weird bug tracker that you can report stuff but you are kept super in the dark - I remember reporting Safari bugs in the early days of WASM and it was zero communication until the bug got fixed.
    - zeusk 2y ago
      It’s probably that they don’t want to risk leak any internal discussion. The information from the public "tracker" is just forwarded to the internal Radar and that's a one-way street.
    - EasyMark 2y ago
      it's called radar I believe and they've used it for a long long time. I always assumed it was built completely in house in the before times
      - threeseed 2y ago
        I worked at Apple a while ago and it was a WebObjects app. So I would bet that it was built at NeXT and brought across. It's in the archive going back to 1999: https://web.archive.org/web/19991009144258/http://bugreport.apple.com/radarweb35/tafs/includes/RadarHelpMain.html https://web.archive.org/web/19991009144258/http://bugreport....
        2y ago
incompatible 2y ago
Maybe boot a Linux USB drive and use dd to copy the drive? I assume this is too easy, but I'm curious about where it fails.
- nine_k 2y ago
  Maybe if the target device is the same part number (I assume an m.2 NVMe), that would work. IDK if it works with other drives, e.g. different capacity, let alone using a USB-attached drive. I don't know what bits, beyond the image proper, belong to the trusted signed set.
  - incompatible 2y ago
    It would just be a bit-for-bit copy, so maybe it would work? I don't know what a trusted signed set is. I'm mystified about why I'm getting downvoted for that question. If it's inadvertently stupid of insulting to Apple users, wouldn't an explanation be more useful then trying to censor it?
    - nunez 2y ago
      Is it possible to boot a Linux Live CD on Apple Silicon Macs?
      - incompatible 2y ago
        I think Linux runs on Apple hardware? I could be out of date, and it's completely locked-down these days. Edit: I suppose it could explain the downvoting. "Apple doesn't let us boot Linux, you insensitive clod!"
echelon 2y ago
> took it upon themselves to provide that functionality via a utility. That utility is apparently non-functional in 15.2. Apple turning our devices into jail cells. These tech titans need to be regulated. We should be able to install whatever we want on Mac, iPhone, and Android. To be able to back up whatever we want, install from web, not be forced to use app stores, not be forced to sync with the cloud, and not be forced to use first party software.
- lxgr 2y ago
  You are able to do and install what you want on a Mac (although for some things, you’d have to disable SIP), unlike on iOS. I’m not the biggest fan of the grip Apple has on iOS, but this seems less of a case of platform protectionism, and more one of not wanting to (implicitly) support low-level interfaces/implicit APIs that are becoming hard to support for whatever reason. Definitely annoying, but almost every OS does that at some point.
- talldayo 2y ago
  > Apple turning our devices into jail cells. > These tech titans need to be regulated. You say this as though anyone buying a Macbook in the past decade reserves the right to be surprised. New Trump administration isn't going to budge on this - he's actually rather upset at the EU for how they've been treating his good friend Tim Apple. Chances are, he likes this lockdown and wants Americans to accept it. If you're an American owner of Apple hardware, you've involuntarily signed yourself up for the Apple Isolationist program. There is no government to save you, and no god Apple will answer to.
  - beretguy 2y ago
    > If you're an American owner of Apple hardware, you've involuntarily signed yourself up for the Apple Isolationist program. I use iPhone because I try not to use any Google products. I didn't sign up for no nothing, I have no other choice.
    - rahkiin 2y ago
owlbite 2y ago
Do we know if this was a bug in the beta releases of 15.2, or did it manifest only in the final version?
j45 2y ago
I wonder if Carbon Copy Cloner is affected. Having bootable backups was the only reason I ever moved to a Mac. This means, a backup of my computer created using something like Carbon Copy Cloner, or SuperDuper backup when plugged into any other Mac, and it would boot as my computer. Also known as Target Disk Mode booting off this backup. Indispensible when or if my laptop was in for repair with Apple.
- cosmotic 2y ago
  TimeMachine is a pretty good second option. It's not bootable itself, but the recovery console on any mac can ingest a time machine backup and get you back up and running quite quickly. The benefit here is that it's free, trivial to setup, and very easy to keep running; Given an empty disk, plug it in, click one button, done.
  - j45 2y ago
    Time Machine is OK as secondary, never primary, or the sole option. Having Target Disc Mode and Target Display Mode on a Mac are two of probably the 4 reasons I switched to a Mac from Windows. Skitch was the other, and CC/SuperDuper was the 4th. I had tolerated my last windows laptop dying :) Multiple copies of multiple types of backups is the only way. I have always maintained a CarbonCopy/SuperDuper at all times, plus a Time Machine that I cared far less about. Time Machine is my desperate fall back. Time Machine backups haven't always been super reliable, nor is the recovery time to restore acceptable. I'm sure it's gotten better, but enough for me to forget what it hasn't done in the past? Doubt it. Time Machine is kind OK for set it and forget it backup to a NAS or something. I didn't find as much value in Time Machine to a dedicated external drive since it had the risk of being the only backup, and it's not a backup if there's only one copy. Time machine's limited utility of use when there is an emergency on an external drive, compared to SuperDuper/Carbon Copy Cloner which is you are up in minutes not hours or days while you figure out what is going.. Having a Carbon Copy/Super Duper external drive sitting at one of your desks that's regularly plugged in gives you a live replica should anything happen. Time Machine has it's own history of issues: https://www.google.com/search?q=time+machine+backup+issues https://www.google.com/search?q=time+machine+backup+issues

griomnib 2y ago

Apple’s built-in backup solution is called Time Machine. It was dogshit when it launched a decade ago, never got more reliable despite many OS releases, and is still largely dogshit. The author of the blog makes an application that is very good at making backups on macOS and now their app is broken due to skullduggery by Apple. So the issue is threefold: a) Apple further turning MascOS into iPhone, b) this harms competition, and c) users ultimately suffer because Apple has no incentive to get better.

threeseed 2y ago
Or it's the same thing that has been happening for 15 years. People install .0, .1 or .2 release. Complain about bugs. Bugs get fixed. Repeat.
- nrabulinski 2y ago
  Some might think this is what the beta is for but I guess not. Let’s excuse the multi trillion dollar company for releasing broken software, each release being more broken than the previous one
  - dwaite 2y ago
    That Super Duper post didn't indicate whether they filed feedback during the beta or not.
- randyrand 2y ago
  It's gotten so bad I normally wait until 0.7 (final release).
lxgr 2y ago
Time Machine is really quite good, all things considered. I’d be very happy if Apple were to bring it to iOS, but obviously they’ll never cannibalise their iCloud storage subscription business.
- RandomThoughts3 2y ago

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