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Anyone who's a whistleblower should compile key docs and put it in a "dead man's switch" service that releases your testimony/docs to multiple news agencies in

Anyone who's a whistleblower should compile key docs and put it in a "dead man's switch" service that releases your testimony/docs to multiple news agencies in the event of your untimely demise. The company you're whistle blowing against and their major shareholders should know this exists. Also, regularly post public video attesting to you current mental state.

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eastbound 2y ago
But then what do you have to whistleblow?
cced 2y ago
Weren’t theres couple of dead Boeing whistleblowers in recent times relating to poor AA/design?
- dtquad 2y ago
  They were whistleblowers related to Boeing manufacturing and quality control. Boeing manufacturing is also the source of the persistent Boeing problems and issues that goes back to before the MCAS catastrophic incidents and has continued after MCAS was fixed. Airbus has deeply integrated R&D and manufacturing hubs where the R&D engineers and scientists can just walk a few minutes and they will be inside the factory halls manufacturing the parts they designs. Meanwhile Boeing has separated and placed their manufacturing plants in the US states where they can get most federal and state tax benefits for job creation.
  - signatoremo 2y ago
    > Airbus has deeply integrated R&D and manufacturing hubs where the R&D engineers and scientists can just walk a few minutes and they will be inside the factory halls manufacturing the parts they designs. This is not true. Airbus has a history of competition between French and Germany parts. The assembly plants are spread in France, Germany, UK, Spain, Italy. No such things as deeply integrated R&D and manufacturing hubs. Boeing crisis makes Airbus look better. Airbus itself isn’t renown for efficiency.
srigi 2y ago
If evil company knows that you have this kind of watch-dog, you’re risking a torture instead of quick death.
exceptione 2y ago
> multiple news agencies In the case of the US, you cannot make your selection wide enough. For optimal security, get it to both local news organizations and serious European press agencies. The US news media do not have independent editorial boards. Several titles are actually from the same house. Corporate ownership, and professionals going to the dark side via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_capture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_capture are just some other risks. Even if it gets published, your story can be suppressed by the way the media house deals with it. Also, there are many ways to silence news that is inconvenient or doesn't fit belief schemes, good example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42387549 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42387549
- bubaumba 2y ago
  > European press agencies It's very naive to believe in 'European press'. To get the idea check Ukrainian war coverage. What you'll see first is how single sided it is. This cannot be a coincidence. It can be only a result of total control. I respected 'The Guardians' before, but after eyes opening it appears to be the most brainwashing and manipulative there. Very professionally done, must admit. The problem isn't just that war, it's likely everything and I have no easy way to check for example what really happened in Afghan war. Did US really won like Biden said?
  - consumer451 2y ago
    > It's very naive to believe in 'European press'. To get the idea check Ukrainian war coverage. What you'll see first is how single sided it is. This is such a wild take from my POV, a person in the EU. Have you considered the possibility that the nearest imperialist power beginning to violently invade Europe again is likely to trigger a common reaction? This is one of those rare cases in modern history where there is a clear right vs. wrong. What exactly do you expect the news to talk about that is less “single sided?”
    - bubaumba 2y ago
      I can explain a bit. Russians living in Empire of Evil can see all internet including US and EU news. At the same time 'Putin propaganda' channels are blocked in EU. In EU only one side is available. This creates an information bubble, as intended. Which is a basic crowd control technique used to drive public opinion. In this case to support the war. The result is obvious, EU polls show much stronger support than the rest of the world. Even though media claims most of the world is against Putin, if you look at the map it's only minority, NATO and a few allies. In some EU countries it's even a crime look through the bubble's wall. Most don't realize it even exists. They accept the arguments from their politicians. Like it's a business opportunity, or it's a cheap way to harm Putin. The price for that is hundreds of thousands of human lives on both sides. Which is generally considered as ok, as those are Russians and Ukrainians, not us. Actually media doesn't talk much about it.
aniviacat 2y ago
What would that accomplish? Are you saying they won't kill you because then the documents would be released? So you would never release the documents if they never kill you? Or are you saying you'll do this so the documents are guaranteed to be released, even if you're killed? In that case, why not just publish them right now?
- DevX101 2y ago
  The scenario I described is to ensure the whistleblower being alive or dead has minimal change in impact to the company. If there's a pending case that could wipe billions off a company's market cap and 1 person is a key witness in the outcome...well lots of powerful people now have an incentive if that witness were no longer around. Why not just publish immediately? Publishing immediately likely violates NDA and could be prosecuted if you're not compelled to testify under oath. This is what Edward Snowden did and he's persona non grata from the US for the rest of his life.
  - XorNot 2y ago
    If the information is going to be released in full though, and I'm a murderous executive, then why not kill you immediately? (1) How do you prove you have a deadman switch? How do you prove it functions correctly? (2) How do you prove it contains any more material then you've already shown you have? (3) Since you're going to testify anyway, what's the benefit in leaving you alive when your story can discredited after the fact, and apparently it is trivially easy to get away with an untraceable murder? which leads to (4): if the point is to "send a message" then killing you later is kind of pointless. Let the deadman switch trigger and send a message to everyone else - it won't save you. People concoct scenarios where they're like "oh but I'll record a tape saying 'I didn't kill myself'" as though thats a unique thing and not something every deranged person does anyway, including Australia's racist politician (who's very much still alive, being awful). The world doesn't work like a TV storyline, but good news for you the only reason everyone's like "are they killing whistleblowers?" is because you're all bored and want to feel clever on the internet (while handily pushing the much more useful narrative: through no specific actions, don't become a whistleblower because there's an untraceable, unprovable service which has definitely killed every dead whistleblower you heard of. Please ignore all the alive ones who kind of had their lives ruined by the process but didn't die and are thus boring to talk about).
TMWNN 2y ago
Didn't Luigi Mangione do this, arrange for a YouTube video to auto-publish after his arrest?
- zusammen 2y ago
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- astura 2y ago
  No, but someone did impersonate him on YouTube.
neilv 2y ago
I don't think it's that simple. Imagine that you have nonpublic information that would be harmful to party A. * Enemies and competitors of A now have an incentive to kill you. * If the info about A would move the market, someone who would like to profit from knowing the direction and timing now has an incentive to kill you. * Risks about trustworthiness of this "service". What if the information is released accidentally. What if it's a honeypot for a hedge fund, spy agency, or a "fixer" service. * You've potentially just flagged yourself as a more imminent threat to A. * Attacks against loved ones seems to have been a thing. And doesn't trigger your deadman's switch.
ata_aman 2y ago
Is there a DMS as a service anywhere? I know it’s very easy to setup but wondering if anyone is offering this.
- stavros 2y ago
  https://www.deadmansswitch.net https://www.deadmansswitch.net is one.
- ajdude 2y ago
  I use deadmansswitch.net - it sends you an email to verify that you are still alive, but you can also use a Telegram bot. In this case I have it set to send a passphrase to an encrypted file with all of my information to trusted individuals.
  - im3w1l 2y ago
    If your enemy knows how your switch works it is more feasible to disable it. In this case taking control of either that service or your email should do the trick.
    - stavros 2y ago
      I run that service, and, so far, no issues. It's definitely not secure against server takeover, but it's much easier than making your own switch reliable.
      - im3w1l 2y ago
        I'm just cautioning people against disclosing how they set up their switch. Not criticizing your service in particular.
        stavros 2y ago
        I know, I'm just pointing out that it might not be secure against the NSA. And yep, definitely don't tell powerful enemies where your switch is.
throwup238 2y ago
You also want to record a dying declaration and include it with the DMS if you’re afraid for your life. They can carry weight in court even if you’re mot available for cross examination.
Terr_ 2y ago
That assumes you have something to withhold which is: 1. Dangerous to someone else 2. Separable from the main reveal 3. Something you're willing to held conceal indefinitely
getpost 2y ago
> regularly post public video attesting to you current mental state Yes, indeed, that would attest to your mental state!
Imnimo 2y ago
Or they could just write a blog post and give interviews explaining their objections. Which this guy did. Why do you think there is some extra secret information he was withholding?
contingencies 2y ago
Intelligence agencies certainly run such things. It would likely be safer to write a service and have interdependent relationships between redundant hosting systems in different jurisdictions without direct connections because that way you can protect against single points of failure (eg. compromised hosts, payment systems, regulators, network providers). I would be surprised if this isn't a thing yet on Ethereum or some other well known distributed processing crypto platform.
dheera 2y ago
> The company you're whistle blowing against and their major shareholders should know this exists. They'll just get out the $5 wrench then
scotty79 2y ago
Correct me if I'm wrong but all he was whiltleblowing is that OpenAI trained on copyrighted content, which is completely normal and expected although its legality is yet to be determined.
infp_arborist 2y ago
Less techy, but how about personal relationships you can trust?
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formerlurker 2y ago
This is one of the most actionable and sound comments on this post. If interested, I always recommend the book “The Gulag Archpielago” because of all the repression examples and how to protect oneself. I wish you would speak with the other commenter who studied whistleblowers for 20 years.

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eastbound 2y ago

But then what do you have to whistleblow?

cced 2y ago

Weren’t theres couple of dead Boeing whistleblowers in recent times relating to poor AA/design?

dtquad 2y ago
They were whistleblowers related to Boeing manufacturing and quality control. Boeing manufacturing is also the source of the persistent Boeing problems and issues that goes back to before the MCAS catastrophic incidents and has continued after MCAS was fixed. Airbus has deeply integrated R&D and manufacturing hubs where the R&D engineers and scientists can just walk a few minutes and they will be inside the factory halls manufacturing the parts they designs. Meanwhile Boeing has separated and placed their manufacturing plants in the US states where they can get most federal and state tax benefits for job creation.
- signatoremo 2y ago
  > Airbus has deeply integrated R&D and manufacturing hubs where the R&D engineers and scientists can just walk a few minutes and they will be inside the factory halls manufacturing the parts they designs. This is not true. Airbus has a history of competition between French and Germany parts. The assembly plants are spread in France, Germany, UK, Spain, Italy. No such things as deeply integrated R&D and manufacturing hubs. Boeing crisis makes Airbus look better. Airbus itself isn’t renown for efficiency.

srigi 2y ago

If evil company knows that you have this kind of watch-dog, you’re risking a torture instead of quick death.

exceptione 2y ago

> multiple news agencies In the case of the US, you cannot make your selection wide enough. For optimal security, get it to both local news organizations and serious European press agencies. The US news media do not have independent editorial boards. Several titles are actually from the same house. Corporate ownership, and professionals going to the dark side via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_capture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_capture are just some other risks. Even if it gets published, your story can be suppressed by the way the media house deals with it. Also, there are many ways to silence news that is inconvenient or doesn't fit belief schemes, good example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42387549 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42387549

bubaumba 2y ago
> European press agencies It's very naive to believe in 'European press'. To get the idea check Ukrainian war coverage. What you'll see first is how single sided it is. This cannot be a coincidence. It can be only a result of total control. I respected 'The Guardians' before, but after eyes opening it appears to be the most brainwashing and manipulative there. Very professionally done, must admit. The problem isn't just that war, it's likely everything and I have no easy way to check for example what really happened in Afghan war. Did US really won like Biden said?
- consumer451 2y ago
  > It's very naive to believe in 'European press'. To get the idea check Ukrainian war coverage. What you'll see first is how single sided it is. This is such a wild take from my POV, a person in the EU. Have you considered the possibility that the nearest imperialist power beginning to violently invade Europe again is likely to trigger a common reaction? This is one of those rare cases in modern history where there is a clear right vs. wrong. What exactly do you expect the news to talk about that is less “single sided?”
  - bubaumba 2y ago
    I can explain a bit. Russians living in Empire of Evil can see all internet including US and EU news. At the same time 'Putin propaganda' channels are blocked in EU. In EU only one side is available. This creates an information bubble, as intended. Which is a basic crowd control technique used to drive public opinion. In this case to support the war. The result is obvious, EU polls show much stronger support than the rest of the world. Even though media claims most of the world is against Putin, if you look at the map it's only minority, NATO and a few allies. In some EU countries it's even a crime look through the bubble's wall. Most don't realize it even exists. They accept the arguments from their politicians. Like it's a business opportunity, or it's a cheap way to harm Putin. The price for that is hundreds of thousands of human lives on both sides. Which is generally considered as ok, as those are Russians and Ukrainians, not us. Actually media doesn't talk much about it.

aniviacat 2y ago

What would that accomplish? Are you saying they won't kill you because then the documents would be released? So you would never release the documents if they never kill you? Or are you saying you'll do this so the documents are guaranteed to be released, even if you're killed? In that case, why not just publish them right now?

DevX101 2y ago
The scenario I described is to ensure the whistleblower being alive or dead has minimal change in impact to the company. If there's a pending case that could wipe billions off a company's market cap and 1 person is a key witness in the outcome...well lots of powerful people now have an incentive if that witness were no longer around. Why not just publish immediately? Publishing immediately likely violates NDA and could be prosecuted if you're not compelled to testify under oath. This is what Edward Snowden did and he's persona non grata from the US for the rest of his life.
- XorNot 2y ago
  If the information is going to be released in full though, and I'm a murderous executive, then why not kill you immediately? (1) How do you prove you have a deadman switch? How do you prove it functions correctly? (2) How do you prove it contains any more material then you've already shown you have? (3) Since you're going to testify anyway, what's the benefit in leaving you alive when your story can discredited after the fact, and apparently it is trivially easy to get away with an untraceable murder? which leads to (4): if the point is to "send a message" then killing you later is kind of pointless. Let the deadman switch trigger and send a message to everyone else - it won't save you. People concoct scenarios where they're like "oh but I'll record a tape saying 'I didn't kill myself'" as though thats a unique thing and not something every deranged person does anyway, including Australia's racist politician (who's very much still alive, being awful). The world doesn't work like a TV storyline, but good news for you the only reason everyone's like "are they killing whistleblowers?" is because you're all bored and want to feel clever on the internet (while handily pushing the much more useful narrative: through no specific actions, don't become a whistleblower because there's an untraceable, unprovable service which has definitely killed every dead whistleblower you heard of. Please ignore all the alive ones who kind of had their lives ruined by the process but didn't die and are thus boring to talk about).

TMWNN 2y ago

Didn't Luigi Mangione do this, arrange for a YouTube video to auto-publish after his arrest?

zusammen 2y ago
[dead]
astura 2y ago
No, but someone did impersonate him on YouTube.

neilv 2y ago

I don't think it's that simple. Imagine that you have nonpublic information that would be harmful to party A. * Enemies and competitors of A now have an incentive to kill you. * If the info about A would move the market, someone who would like to profit from knowing the direction and timing now has an incentive to kill you. * Risks about trustworthiness of this "service". What if the information is released accidentally. What if it's a honeypot for a hedge fund, spy agency, or a "fixer" service. * You've potentially just flagged yourself as a more imminent threat to A. * Attacks against loved ones seems to have been a thing. And doesn't trigger your deadman's switch.

ata_aman 2y ago

Is there a DMS as a service anywhere? I know it’s very easy to setup but wondering if anyone is offering this.

stavros 2y ago
https://www.deadmansswitch.net https://www.deadmansswitch.net is one.
ajdude 2y ago
I use deadmansswitch.net - it sends you an email to verify that you are still alive, but you can also use a Telegram bot. In this case I have it set to send a passphrase to an encrypted file with all of my information to trusted individuals.
- im3w1l 2y ago
  If your enemy knows how your switch works it is more feasible to disable it. In this case taking control of either that service or your email should do the trick.
  - stavros 2y ago
    I run that service, and, so far, no issues. It's definitely not secure against server takeover, but it's much easier than making your own switch reliable.
    - im3w1l 2y ago
      I'm just cautioning people against disclosing how they set up their switch. Not criticizing your service in particular.
      - stavros 2y ago
        I know, I'm just pointing out that it might not be secure against the NSA. And yep, definitely don't tell powerful enemies where your switch is.

throwup238 2y ago

You also want to record a dying declaration and include it with the DMS if you’re afraid for your life. They can carry weight in court even if you’re mot available for cross examination.

Terr_ 2y ago

That assumes you have something to withhold which is: 1. Dangerous to someone else 2. Separable from the main reveal 3. Something you're willing to held conceal indefinitely

getpost 2y ago

> regularly post public video attesting to you current mental state Yes, indeed, that would attest to your mental state!

Imnimo 2y ago

Or they could just write a blog post and give interviews explaining their objections. Which this guy did. Why do you think there is some extra secret information he was withholding?

contingencies 2y ago

Intelligence agencies certainly run such things. It would likely be safer to write a service and have interdependent relationships between redundant hosting systems in different jurisdictions without direct connections because that way you can protect against single points of failure (eg. compromised hosts, payment systems, regulators, network providers). I would be surprised if this isn't a thing yet on Ethereum or some other well known distributed processing crypto platform.

dheera 2y ago

> The company you're whistle blowing against and their major shareholders should know this exists. They'll just get out the $5 wrench then

scotty79 2y ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but all he was whiltleblowing is that OpenAI trained on copyrighted content, which is completely normal and expected although its legality is yet to be determined.

infp_arborist 2y ago

Less techy, but how about personal relationships you can trust?

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formerlurker 2y ago

This is one of the most actionable and sound comments on this post. If interested, I always recommend the book “The Gulag Archpielago” because of all the repression examples and how to protect oneself. I wish you would speak with the other commenter who studied whistleblowers for 20 years.