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The question shows a total disconnect from reality. People who are unemployed with no money today don't die. Even street people don't die. If AGI labor is chea

by slibhb 2y ago

The question shows a total disconnect from reality. People who are unemployed with no money today don't die. Even street people don't die. If AGI labor is cheaper and as effective as human labor, prices will drop to the point where the necessities cost very little. People will be able to support themselves working part-time jobs on whatever hasn't been automated. The tax system will become more redistributive and maybe we'll adopt a negative income tax. People will still whine and bitch about capitalism even as it negates the need for them to lift a single finger.

kelseyfrog 2y ago
Until now, I didn't think that poverty impacting mortality was a controversial statement. Poverty is the fourth greatest cause of US deaths[1]. Why would I hire a part time worker when I could hire an AI for cheaper? When I said categorically, I meant it. 1. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-04-poverty-fourth-greatest-deaths-analysis.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-04-poverty-fourth-greate...
- slibhb 2y ago
  Quite a goal post move from "just go unemployed, and then bankrupt, and then die" to "poverty impacts health"
  - kelseyfrog 2y ago
    I didn't say health; you did. I said mortality which is synonymous with death. Misquoting someone to prove a point is intellectually bankrupt. Take a breath and calm down. Why don't you try stealmanning instead?
    - slibhb 2y ago
      "Negatively impacts mortality" doesn't mean "kills" or "causes to die". "Bad for health" is a better interpretation. Do you really believe that unemployment + bankruptcy = death? If you don't believe that, then why are you writing sentences like this: > Do most people who labor for wages just go unemployed, and then bankrupt, and then die?
      - kelseyfrog 2y ago
        Yes. The all-cause mortality hazard ratio for unemployment is 1.85[1]. Nearly doubling mortality is an incredible result. Reducing my argument to a guarantee of death in order to prove it wrong is absurd. 1. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4677456/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4677456/
elif 2y ago
>People who are unemployed with no money today don't die. Even street people don't die. Small point of contention here, but 100% of people die, and 'street people' exceptionally quickly. >The tax system will become more redistributive and maybe we'll adopt a negative income tax. And when the productive economy profits from automation while the government tax revenue decreases from lost income tax, what do you think this arbitrary money printing will do to the USD?
ben_w 2y ago
> People will be able to support themselves working part-time jobs on whatever hasn't been automated That assumes anything remains that hasn't been automated. The "G" in "AGI" means different things to different people, because generality isn't really a boolean that you have or don't have, but if the AGI has a G at least as general as human intelligence, then everything we can do will be automated.

by slibhb 2y ago

kelseyfrog 2y ago

Until now, I didn't think that poverty impacting mortality was a controversial statement. Poverty is the fourth greatest cause of US deaths[1]. Why would I hire a part time worker when I could hire an AI for cheaper? When I said categorically, I meant it. 1. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-04-poverty-fourth-greatest-deaths-analysis.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-04-poverty-fourth-greate...

slibhb 2y ago
Quite a goal post move from "just go unemployed, and then bankrupt, and then die" to "poverty impacts health"
- kelseyfrog 2y ago
  I didn't say health; you did. I said mortality which is synonymous with death. Misquoting someone to prove a point is intellectually bankrupt. Take a breath and calm down. Why don't you try stealmanning instead?
  - slibhb 2y ago
    "Negatively impacts mortality" doesn't mean "kills" or "causes to die". "Bad for health" is a better interpretation. Do you really believe that unemployment + bankruptcy = death? If you don't believe that, then why are you writing sentences like this: > Do most people who labor for wages just go unemployed, and then bankrupt, and then die?
    - kelseyfrog 2y ago
      Yes. The all-cause mortality hazard ratio for unemployment is 1.85[1]. Nearly doubling mortality is an incredible result. Reducing my argument to a guarantee of death in order to prove it wrong is absurd. 1. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4677456/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4677456/

elif 2y ago

>People who are unemployed with no money today don't die. Even street people don't die. Small point of contention here, but 100% of people die, and 'street people' exceptionally quickly. >The tax system will become more redistributive and maybe we'll adopt a negative income tax. And when the productive economy profits from automation while the government tax revenue decreases from lost income tax, what do you think this arbitrary money printing will do to the USD?

ben_w 2y ago

> People will be able to support themselves working part-time jobs on whatever hasn't been automated That assumes anything remains that hasn't been automated. The "G" in "AGI" means different things to different people, because generality isn't really a boolean that you have or don't have, but if the AGI has a G at least as general as human intelligence, then everything we can do will be automated.