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Maybe because magical thinking, based entirely on early childhood brainwashing and cultural conditioning and peer-pressure, has no place here.

by jgeada 2y ago

Argonaut998 2y ago
Now enough about secularism…
- SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
  That's where we're at now, eh? "I know you are, but what am I?"
  - Argonaut998 2y ago
    It was a Reddit-like atheist fedora comment, it’s not deserving of more.
    - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
      You know what? Fair enough. Carry on.
- snozolli 2y ago
  Please list examples of the magical thinking fundamental to secularism.
_7acn 2y ago
If I wrote that I am a Buddhist or that I use Tarot cards, would I also deserve a downvote? I became interested in Catholicism after 30, entirely on my own, as the only person among my friends and surroundings. The argument about cultural conditioning is misplaced, because contemporary western culture (where I live) is extremely anti-Catholic. If I ask you whether you believe in Jesus, you'll probably say no. Do you know that he is a historical figure? Traditional Catholicism understands "faith" as a purely rational approach, not an emotional one. You examine certain issues and rationally come to a conclusion about whether they are convincing to you or not. I simply belong to the group that is convinced of the truth of Catholicism. Most people today do not. However, most people do not approach this matter objectively but rather emotionally.
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago
  Not a bad response compared to the typical religious view. I'd maybe add that religions also shift over time. Catholics are also being swayed by the Evangelicals. You are explaining kind of a Jesuit view of analysis, and older view of thought. I'm not talking about the old persecutions the Church did. But after the enlightenment up to last 100 years, Catholics used to be supporters of Science, logic and reason. They were strongly in support of Religion and Science existing separately. Religion is about faith, it is beyond science, and you shouldn't mix them. But more recently in the US, all Christian churches have started to be a bit radicalized by the Evangelicals. So your view might be in minority.

Maybe because magical thinking, based entirely on early childhood brainwashing and cultural conditioning and peer-pressure, has no place here.

by jgeada 2y ago

Maybe because magical thinking, based entirely on early childhood brainwashing and cultural conditioning and peer-pressure, has no place here.

Argonaut998 2y ago

Now enough about secularism…

SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
That's where we're at now, eh? "I know you are, but what am I?"
- Argonaut998 2y ago
  It was a Reddit-like atheist fedora comment, it’s not deserving of more.
  - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
    You know what? Fair enough. Carry on.
snozolli 2y ago
Please list examples of the magical thinking fundamental to secularism.

_7acn 2y ago

If I wrote that I am a Buddhist or that I use Tarot cards, would I also deserve a downvote? I became interested in Catholicism after 30, entirely on my own, as the only person among my friends and surroundings. The argument about cultural conditioning is misplaced, because contemporary western culture (where I live) is extremely anti-Catholic. If I ask you whether you believe in Jesus, you'll probably say no. Do you know that he is a historical figure? Traditional Catholicism understands "faith" as a purely rational approach, not an emotional one. You examine certain issues and rationally come to a conclusion about whether they are convincing to you or not. I simply belong to the group that is convinced of the truth of Catholicism. Most people today do not. However, most people do not approach this matter objectively but rather emotionally.

FrustratedMonky 2y ago
Not a bad response compared to the typical religious view. I'd maybe add that religions also shift over time. Catholics are also being swayed by the Evangelicals. You are explaining kind of a Jesuit view of analysis, and older view of thought. I'm not talking about the old persecutions the Church did. But after the enlightenment up to last 100 years, Catholics used to be supporters of Science, logic and reason. They were strongly in support of Religion and Science existing separately. Religion is about faith, it is beyond science, and you shouldn't mix them. But more recently in the US, all Christian churches have started to be a bit radicalized by the Evangelicals. So your view might be in minority.