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> You can’t sue your way to AGI. We have great respect for Elon’s accomplishments and gratitude for his early contributions to OpenAI, but he should be competin

> You can’t sue your way to AGI. We have great respect for Elon’s accomplishments and gratitude for his early contributions to OpenAI, but he should be competing in the marketplace rather than the courtroom. Isn't that exactly what he's doing with x.ai? Grok and all that? IIRC Elon has the biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now, and is currently training the next major version of his "competing in the marketplace" product. It will be interesting to see how this blog post ages. I'm not dismissing the rest of the post (and indeed I think they make a good case on Elon's hypocrisy!) but the above seems at best like a pretty massive blindspot which (if I were invested in OpenAI) would cause me some concern.

hangonhn 2y ago
> biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now Really? I'm really surprised by that. I thought Meta was the one who got the jump on everyone by hoarding H100s. Or did you mean strictly GPUs and not any of the AI specific chips?
- freedomben 2y ago
  Good point, I don't know if it's strictly GPUs or also includes some other AI specific chips. Nvidia wrote about it: https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-networking-xai-colossus https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-netwo...
  - hangonhn 2y ago
    oh wow. I think your original assertion is correct. Wow. What a crazy arms race.
kiernanmcgowan 2y ago
> IIRC Elon has the biggest CPU compute cluster in the world right now Do you have a source for this? I don’t buy this when compared to Google, Amazon, Lawrence Livermore National Lab…
- freedomben 2y ago
  I first heard it on the All-In podcast, but I do see many articles/blogs about it as well. Quick note though, I mistyped CPU (and rapidly caught and fixed, but not fast enough!) when I meant GPU. [1]: https://www.yahoo.com/tech/worlds-fastest-supercomputer-please-stand-145715759.html https://www.yahoo.com/tech/worlds-fastest-supercomputer-plea...
- mrshu 2y ago
  The claim seems to mostly be coming fro NVIDIA marketing [0]. [0] https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-networking-xai-colossus https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-netwo...
codemac 2y ago
> biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now This is wildly untrue, and most in industry know that. Unfortunately you won't have a source just like I won't, but just wanted to voice that you're way off here.
- freedomben 2y ago
  > This is wildly untrue, and most in industry know that. Unfortunately you won't have a source just like I won't, but just wanted to voice that you're way off here. Sure, we probably can't know for sure who has the biggest as they try to keep that under wraps for competition purposes, but it's definitely not "wildly untrue." A simple search will show that they have if not the biggest, damn near one of the biggest. Just a quick sample: https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-networking-xai-colossus https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-netwo... https://www.yahoo.com/tech/worlds-fastest-supercomputer-please-stand-145715759.html https://www.yahoo.com/tech/worlds-fastest-supercomputer-plea... https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/elon-musk-took-19-days-to-set-up-100-000-nvidia-h200-gpus-process-normally-takes-4-years https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/elon-musk-to... https://www.capacitymedia.com/article/musks-xais-colossus-cluster-set-for-one-million-gpu-supercomputer-expansion https://www.capacitymedia.com/article/musks-xais-colossus-cl...
  - codemac 2y ago
    i've physically visited a larger one, it is not even a well kept secret. we all see each other at the same airports and hotels.
    - nightowl_games 2y ago
      Because they are all located in the same small town?
  - threeseed 2y ago
    Technically, it maybe the world's biggest single AI supercomputer. But it ignores Amazon, Google and Microsoft/OpenAI being able to run training workloads across their entire clouds.
axus 2y ago
Maybe Elon is doing both, competing in the marketplace and in the courtroom. And in advising the president to regulate non-profit AI .
- freedomben 2y ago
  Agree, he is doing both. But if he's competing in the marketplace, it seems pretty off base for Open AI to tell him he should be competing in the marketplace. So I think my criticism stands.
  - nativeit 2y ago
    I don’t think their suggestion ever implies that he isn’t.
    - freedomben 2y ago
      If the believed he already was competing in the marketplace, then what would be the point of saying "he should be competing in the marketplace rather than the courtroom." ? I'm genuinely trying to understand what I'm missing here because it seems illogical to tell someone they should do something they are already doing.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - shkkmo 2y ago
        What you are missing is the context of this phrase. It is almost exclusively used when talking about two entities are already competitors. Some of your confusion may come because this phrase is intended neither as a statement of fact, nor a course of suggested action. It is instead a rhetorical flourish intended to imply that one company has a subpar product and is using the legal system to make up for that.
Etheryte 2y ago
Surely Meta has the biggest compute in that category, no? I wouldn't be surprised if Elon went around saying that to raise money though.
llm_nerd 2y ago
>Isn't that exactly what he's doing with x.ai? Grok and all that? They aren't saying he isn't. But he is trying to handicap OpenAI, while his own offering at this point is farcical. >It will be interesting to see how this blog post ages. Whether Elon's "dump billions to try to get attention for The Latest Thing" attempt succeeds or not -- the guy has an outrageous appetite to be the center of attention, and sadly people play along -- has zero bearing on the aging of this blog post. Elon could simply be fighting them in the marketplace, instead he's waging a public and legal campaign that honestly makes him look like a pathetic bitch. And that's regardless of my negative feelings regarding OpenAI's bait and switch.
- elif 2y ago
  Eh grok is bad but I wouldn't call it farcial. It's terrible at multimodal, but in terms of up to date recent cultural knowledge, sentiments, etc. it's much better than the stale GPT models (even with search added)
boringg 2y ago
It's rich coming from Sam Altman -- the guy who famously tried to use regulatory capture to block everyone else.
- sangnoir 2y ago
  Game recognizes game.

hangonhn 2y ago

> biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now Really? I'm really surprised by that. I thought Meta was the one who got the jump on everyone by hoarding H100s. Or did you mean strictly GPUs and not any of the AI specific chips?

freedomben 2y ago
Good point, I don't know if it's strictly GPUs or also includes some other AI specific chips. Nvidia wrote about it: https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-networking-xai-colossus https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-netwo...
- hangonhn 2y ago
  oh wow. I think your original assertion is correct. Wow. What a crazy arms race.

kiernanmcgowan 2y ago

> IIRC Elon has the biggest CPU compute cluster in the world right now Do you have a source for this? I don’t buy this when compared to Google, Amazon, Lawrence Livermore National Lab…

freedomben 2y ago
I first heard it on the All-In podcast, but I do see many articles/blogs about it as well. Quick note though, I mistyped CPU (and rapidly caught and fixed, but not fast enough!) when I meant GPU. [1]: https://www.yahoo.com/tech/worlds-fastest-supercomputer-please-stand-145715759.html https://www.yahoo.com/tech/worlds-fastest-supercomputer-plea...
mrshu 2y ago
The claim seems to mostly be coming fro NVIDIA marketing [0]. [0] https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-networking-xai-colossus https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-netwo...

codemac 2y ago

> biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now This is wildly untrue, and most in industry know that. Unfortunately you won't have a source just like I won't, but just wanted to voice that you're way off here.

freedomben 2y ago
> This is wildly untrue, and most in industry know that. Unfortunately you won't have a source just like I won't, but just wanted to voice that you're way off here. Sure, we probably can't know for sure who has the biggest as they try to keep that under wraps for competition purposes, but it's definitely not "wildly untrue." A simple search will show that they have if not the biggest, damn near one of the biggest. Just a quick sample: https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-networking-xai-colossus https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-netwo... https://www.yahoo.com/tech/worlds-fastest-supercomputer-please-stand-145715759.html https://www.yahoo.com/tech/worlds-fastest-supercomputer-plea... https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/elon-musk-took-19-days-to-set-up-100-000-nvidia-h200-gpus-process-normally-takes-4-years https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/elon-musk-to... https://www.capacitymedia.com/article/musks-xais-colossus-cluster-set-for-one-million-gpu-supercomputer-expansion https://www.capacitymedia.com/article/musks-xais-colossus-cl...
- codemac 2y ago
  i've physically visited a larger one, it is not even a well kept secret. we all see each other at the same airports and hotels.
  - nightowl_games 2y ago
    Because they are all located in the same small town?
- threeseed 2y ago
  Technically, it maybe the world's biggest single AI supercomputer. But it ignores Amazon, Google and Microsoft/OpenAI being able to run training workloads across their entire clouds.

axus 2y ago

Maybe Elon is doing both, competing in the marketplace and in the courtroom. And in advising the president to regulate non-profit AI .

freedomben 2y ago
Agree, he is doing both. But if he's competing in the marketplace, it seems pretty off base for Open AI to tell him he should be competing in the marketplace. So I think my criticism stands.
- nativeit 2y ago
  I don’t think their suggestion ever implies that he isn’t.
  - freedomben 2y ago
    If the believed he already was competing in the marketplace, then what would be the point of saying "he should be competing in the marketplace rather than the courtroom." ? I'm genuinely trying to understand what I'm missing here because it seems illogical to tell someone they should do something they are already doing.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - shkkmo 2y ago
      What you are missing is the context of this phrase. It is almost exclusively used when talking about two entities are already competitors. Some of your confusion may come because this phrase is intended neither as a statement of fact, nor a course of suggested action. It is instead a rhetorical flourish intended to imply that one company has a subpar product and is using the legal system to make up for that.

Etheryte 2y ago

Surely Meta has the biggest compute in that category, no? I wouldn't be surprised if Elon went around saying that to raise money though.

llm_nerd 2y ago

>Isn't that exactly what he's doing with x.ai? Grok and all that? They aren't saying he isn't. But he is trying to handicap OpenAI, while his own offering at this point is farcical. >It will be interesting to see how this blog post ages. Whether Elon's "dump billions to try to get attention for The Latest Thing" attempt succeeds or not -- the guy has an outrageous appetite to be the center of attention, and sadly people play along -- has zero bearing on the aging of this blog post. Elon could simply be fighting them in the marketplace, instead he's waging a public and legal campaign that honestly makes him look like a pathetic bitch. And that's regardless of my negative feelings regarding OpenAI's bait and switch.

elif 2y ago
Eh grok is bad but I wouldn't call it farcial. It's terrible at multimodal, but in terms of up to date recent cultural knowledge, sentiments, etc. it's much better than the stale GPT models (even with search added)

boringg 2y ago

It's rich coming from Sam Altman -- the guy who famously tried to use regulatory capture to block everyone else.

sangnoir 2y ago
Game recognizes game.