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That reminds me of this account from 1692 of someone who reported themselves to the priest. ==== Johannes Nider (1692, Liber II, Cap. 41) gives this account:

by Natsu 2y ago

That reminds me of this account from 1692 of someone who reported themselves to the priest. ==== Johannes Nider (1692, Liber II, Cap. 41) gives this account: I shall ... show how so many people are deceived in their sleep, that upon wakening they altogether believe that they have actually seen what has happened only in the inner part of the mind. I heard my teacher give this account: a certain priest of our order entered a village where he came upon a woman so out of her senses that she believed herself to be transported through the air during the night with Diana and other women. When he attempted to remove this heresy from her by means of wholesome discourse she steadfastly maintained her belief. The priest then asked her: "Allow me to be present when you depart on the next occasion." She answered: "I agree to it and you will observe my departure in the presence (if you wish) of suitable witnesses." Therefore when the day for the departure arrived, which the old woman had previously determined, the priest showed up and with trustworthy townsmen to convince this fanatic of her madness. the woman, having placed a large bowl, which was used for kneading dough, on top of a stool, stepped into the bowl and sat herself down. Then, rubbing ointment on herself to the accompaniment of magic incantations she lay her head back and immediately fell asleep. With the labor of the devil she dreamed of Mistress Venus and other superstitions so vividly that, crying out with a shout and striking her hands about, she jarred the bowl in which she was sitting and, falling down from the stool seriously injured herself about the head. As she lay there awakened, the priest cried out to her that she had not moved: "For Heaven's sake, where are you? You were not with Diana and as will be attested by these present, you never left this bowl." Thus, by this act and by thoughtful exhortations he drew out this belief from her abominable soul.

MrMcCall 2y ago
A Sufi Murshid lived in the same village his entire, long life. The village had one intersection with only the masjid at the center, but not many buildings in either direction along the road. Because he was conscious the entire time his soul traveled during sleep, and because it travels at the speed of thought, he said, "I know the stars of the Milky Way better than the two roads in my village." Castaneda's Don Juan speaks that our discounting the journeys of the soul as not happening in merely a different dimension of reality is not the proper perspective. That said, many/most/? of our dreams are occuring in our mind's imagination, not the external multi-dimensional universe. Our soul is "magnetically" confined to our physical body while we remain conscious. Its journeys have been called "astral travel" and most people are not conscious during them because so very few of us live intensional, conscientious waking lives.

by Natsu 2y ago

MrMcCall 2y ago

A Sufi Murshid lived in the same village his entire, long life. The village had one intersection with only the masjid at the center, but not many buildings in either direction along the road. Because he was conscious the entire time his soul traveled during sleep, and because it travels at the speed of thought, he said, "I know the stars of the Milky Way better than the two roads in my village." Castaneda's Don Juan speaks that our discounting the journeys of the soul as not happening in merely a different dimension of reality is not the proper perspective. That said, many/most/? of our dreams are occuring in our mind's imagination, not the external multi-dimensional universe. Our soul is "magnetically" confined to our physical body while we remain conscious. Its journeys have been called "astral travel" and most people are not conscious during them because so very few of us live intensional, conscientious waking lives.