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Crowley saw demons as manifestations of the mind's architecture - real in their effects, but originating from within rather than existing as independent externa

Crowley saw demons as manifestations of the mind's architecture - real in their effects, but originating from within rather than existing as independent external entities. To that effect, they are very real, in the same way that the color green is real - subjectively experienced by humans with normal color vision, yet meaningless to a being with a different sensory architecture.

onemoresoop 2y ago
I too think demons exist but metaphorically only, in terms subconscious desires of the mind and how they manifest. For bad demons for example serial killers often report they feel possesed by demons. Demons and God(s) are deep irrational projections of the human mind. Power and greed could also be viewed throw this prism.
MrMcCall 2y ago
Crowley was not a truthful person. He was a bringer of darkness, not of light. Of selfish ignorance, not compassionate service. No one can serve two masters.
- SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
  Ok, so two is out, how about three? Like, some sort of trinity?
  - MrMcCall 2y ago
    The Creator is a singleton, the Prime Mover, the Ultimate Loner, Unfathomable and Timeless beyond our comprehension. We are one human race, each of us with both positive and negative potentials, as well as the ability to wallow in ignorance or choose to become either more selfish or more compassionate. Those are the three possible paths a human can traverse. There is no fourth path. There is one foundation of all forms of religion, regardless of customs or culture, and is always to become consumed by compassion for all human beings, in service to the Divine Will. There is no -- and must not be any human-dictated -- compulsion in religion. "The greatest among you will be the servant of all." There are many triples in this universe, including: the relationship between (1) our Creator, (2) Its servants, and (3) the Holy Spirit that facilitates our self-evolving towards becoming consumed by love, irrespective of form of religion. This concept is not unlike an RDF triple. Only the One Creator may be worshipped, but the human servants of God are sent here to teach us how to live in harmony with the Earth for universal peace and the happiness of all human beings, including the belligerently selfish that choose to make mischief. The servants of God always suggest that their contemporaries choose to connect with our Creator, never to worship themselves. They are here to help us see the Way, the direction towards It, how to create happiness. Such a one is always humble; if they're not, then they're a faker, a liar, a hypocrite, a manipulator, or merely deluded into believing the lies of our horrible enemy, the deceiver of mankind, who ever works on our hearts and minds to distract us from the caring compassion we could be choosing. "The Way goes in." --Rumi
    - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
      "Yeah? Well, you know, that's just like uh, your opinion, man." --The Dude
      - MrMcCall 2y ago
        You just stated your opinion that I can't possibly be explaining the truth because you don't believe that such truth is either an objective facet of our shared reality or that anyone -- much less me, religious programmer chess aficianado on HN -- can know such truth. Your opinion is the result of your choosing to ignore and deny the truth, which is well within your right. My knowledge is not an opinion, but I fully expect most people to doubt that I am describing our shared objective. The world is not the way it is because so many people have tried to learn about our human nature or how and why we should be self-evolving ourselves toward Wisdom and compassion. No, willful ignorance is rampant upon this Earth and its effects are why this world is as it is, on its current baleful trajectory. Your thinking that you know me is of no consequence compared to my understanding of how and why you think the way you do. Your fanciful conjectures are but a trifle in the sea of truth within which we exist. I am explaining a crucial aspect of the truth, in serviceful honesty and compassion. You are free to make of it what you will; I know your life (and those around you) will be happier if you act upon my advice, but which decisions you sow are your karma to reap in their own good time. Good luck! As with all things human, you have the free will to choose however you like, in ignorance or in Wisdom. Just don't think that the universe is ignoring you or failing to propagate your karma. We all reap what we sow, for good or ill. It the most pivotal dimension to our human reality. When I say that I love you, I do so in the purest meaning of the word, for I (1) only want you and all those around you to be happy, and (2) ask for nothing from you for myself or any cultures I am a part of. Peace be with you. We truly love you.
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        SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
        “The worst thing is not being wrong, but being sure one is not wrong.” — Paul Tournier
Argonaut998 2y ago
Crowley absolutely believed in demons and angels as Christians believe in them. See the HGA, the famous “Lam”. Although they aren’t seen as mutually exclusive

onemoresoop 2y ago

I too think demons exist but metaphorically only, in terms subconscious desires of the mind and how they manifest. For bad demons for example serial killers often report they feel possesed by demons. Demons and God(s) are deep irrational projections of the human mind. Power and greed could also be viewed throw this prism.

MrMcCall 2y ago

Crowley was not a truthful person. He was a bringer of darkness, not of light. Of selfish ignorance, not compassionate service. No one can serve two masters.

SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
Ok, so two is out, how about three? Like, some sort of trinity?
- MrMcCall 2y ago
  The Creator is a singleton, the Prime Mover, the Ultimate Loner, Unfathomable and Timeless beyond our comprehension. We are one human race, each of us with both positive and negative potentials, as well as the ability to wallow in ignorance or choose to become either more selfish or more compassionate. Those are the three possible paths a human can traverse. There is no fourth path. There is one foundation of all forms of religion, regardless of customs or culture, and is always to become consumed by compassion for all human beings, in service to the Divine Will. There is no -- and must not be any human-dictated -- compulsion in religion. "The greatest among you will be the servant of all." There are many triples in this universe, including: the relationship between (1) our Creator, (2) Its servants, and (3) the Holy Spirit that facilitates our self-evolving towards becoming consumed by love, irrespective of form of religion. This concept is not unlike an RDF triple. Only the One Creator may be worshipped, but the human servants of God are sent here to teach us how to live in harmony with the Earth for universal peace and the happiness of all human beings, including the belligerently selfish that choose to make mischief. The servants of God always suggest that their contemporaries choose to connect with our Creator, never to worship themselves. They are here to help us see the Way, the direction towards It, how to create happiness. Such a one is always humble; if they're not, then they're a faker, a liar, a hypocrite, a manipulator, or merely deluded into believing the lies of our horrible enemy, the deceiver of mankind, who ever works on our hearts and minds to distract us from the caring compassion we could be choosing. "The Way goes in." --Rumi
  - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
    "Yeah? Well, you know, that's just like uh, your opinion, man." --The Dude
    - MrMcCall 2y ago
      You just stated your opinion that I can't possibly be explaining the truth because you don't believe that such truth is either an objective facet of our shared reality or that anyone -- much less me, religious programmer chess aficianado on HN -- can know such truth. Your opinion is the result of your choosing to ignore and deny the truth, which is well within your right. My knowledge is not an opinion, but I fully expect most people to doubt that I am describing our shared objective. The world is not the way it is because so many people have tried to learn about our human nature or how and why we should be self-evolving ourselves toward Wisdom and compassion. No, willful ignorance is rampant upon this Earth and its effects are why this world is as it is, on its current baleful trajectory. Your thinking that you know me is of no consequence compared to my understanding of how and why you think the way you do. Your fanciful conjectures are but a trifle in the sea of truth within which we exist. I am explaining a crucial aspect of the truth, in serviceful honesty and compassion. You are free to make of it what you will; I know your life (and those around you) will be happier if you act upon my advice, but which decisions you sow are your karma to reap in their own good time. Good luck! As with all things human, you have the free will to choose however you like, in ignorance or in Wisdom. Just don't think that the universe is ignoring you or failing to propagate your karma. We all reap what we sow, for good or ill. It the most pivotal dimension to our human reality. When I say that I love you, I do so in the purest meaning of the word, for I (1) only want you and all those around you to be happy, and (2) ask for nothing from you for myself or any cultures I am a part of. Peace be with you. We truly love you.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
        “The worst thing is not being wrong, but being sure one is not wrong.” — Paul Tournier

Argonaut998 2y ago

Crowley absolutely believed in demons and angels as Christians believe in them. See the HGA, the famous “Lam”. Although they aren’t seen as mutually exclusive