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The retina macbook is rated EPEAT gold. http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/ http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/

by younata 14y ago

glhaynes 14y ago
Interesting! Unless I'm misunderstanding a subtlety here, the common wisdom seemed to be that the retina MacBook's glue made it ineligible to get EPEAT certification and, since that style of design is obviously Apple's future direction, they pulled their EPEAT participation now.
- younata 14y ago
  That's actually the first thing I checked once I saw the press release. It mentions that they're putting EPEAT Gold certification on their eligible products, and I'm curious if ineligible products means some of the accessories they sell, and that all their computers meet EPEAT gold.
  - mbreese 14y ago
    I assume eligible means computers and displays but not iPads, since EPEAT doesn't rate tablets.
- cube13 14y ago
  It means one of two different things: Either Apple has changed the glue used in the retina MBP's to go in-line with EPEAT's certification, or the glue was not rated by EPEAT, which would cause them to not certify it in the first place, but it did satisfy the other requirements, so Apple was able to force the certification through.
- mkaltenecker 14y ago
  I think many people misunderstand where the glue is in the Retina MacBook Pro. They say things like “The display is glued to the case.” which is wrong. The display assembly (the actual screen where the lights shine true) is glued together. I’m not sure but I think that part of the display is always pretty tightly integrated, probably even glued together. (I tried to find information on that and I would be very glad if someone could point me to resources about how laptop displays are usually built.) The difference with Apple’s design (as far as I understand it) is that the frontmost layer of that assembly is also the front glass of the screen. Other laptops with glass in front of the screen put an extra layer of glass in front of the display assembly. The Retina MacBook Pro doesn’t have that extra glass. (My understanding – but please correct me if I’m wrong, I’m really not sure and I would like to know more – is that old displays had a sort of plastic outer layer, now Apple uses a glass outer layer. But that’s not that a big deal, as far as I know, since on the inside all LCDs use glass substrate also – so it’s not as if Apple introduced glass into the display assembly, some was always there, they just added more. But maybe I’m wrong about that.) That display assembly is screwed – not glued – to the case. Behind it are the LEDs and light diffusers. Here is a teardown of the display: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Retina-Display-Teardown/9493/1#.T-B6X6DrlaR http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Retina-Di... The battery is glued to the case - but it seems to that it is eminently removable with the application of some force. If you don’t care about breaking the laptop (since you want to recycle it) that should be no big deal. I mean, Apple replaces the battery for $200, no questions asked. I don’t think they replace the whole Retina MacBook Pro every time they do that, so they must remove the glued-in battery, and that inside a working laptop. If Apple can do it, so can you (especially with a laptop that’s beyond repair).
  - grecy 14y ago
    > Apple replaces the battery for $200, no questions asked. I don’t think they replace the whole Retina MacBook Pro every time they do that, so they must remove the glued-in battery, and that inside a working laptop. If Apple can do it, so can you (especially with a laptop that’s beyond repair). This is the best explanation I've seen. Somehow everyone has forgotten this.
    - incision 14y ago
      That's what I told my coworker when her car was in the shop. She can have the transmission in her Honda replaced for about $3300 (10% of the sticker price), or do it herself. Silly girl, she must have forgotten.
      - grecy 14y ago
        I'm not sure if you comment is supposed to be sarcastic... ? I don't see how replacing a transmission in a car is related to getting a glued-in battery out of a laptop for the purpose of recycling (the main discussion here) ?
      - mkaltenecker 14y ago
        (Not at all relevant to recycling, but $200 ain’t a bad price. You can expect to pay about $150 for batteries from other manufacturers, and those are often not as high-quality batteries. Batteries are expensive. In general, not just from Apple. It just sucks that you have to send your damn laptop in and not be able to access it for some time.
  - sil3ntmac 14y ago
    The 'glue' in retina displays (based on my experience with the iphone 4's lcd) fuses the front glass to the LCD screen. Usually you can separate the protective glass and the LCD screen, but not on a retina display. That is why if you crack the glass in front of an iPhone 4's LCD, you have to replace the entire LCD (~$70) and not just the glass (~$10).
    - 14y ago
bcrescimanno 14y ago
Read the fine print; it says, "Macbook Pro was rated EPEAT gold." Everywhere else, the Retina Macbook Pro is referred to as "Macbook Pro with Retina Display." They are separate products; and, I'm guessing the EPEAT gold rating does not apply to the Retina MBP (though, if someone can show otherwise, that'd be great).
- glhaynes 14y ago
  Their environmental report for the MacBook Pro with Retina Display (PDF: http://images.apple.com/environment/reports/docs/macbookpro_retinadisplay_per_june2012.pdf http://images.apple.com/environment/reports/docs/macbookpro_...) specifically says it "Achieves a Gold rating from EPEAT".
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  - keithpeter 14y ago
    So you can recycle glass glued to aluminium easily? That is interesting news
    - bdcravens 14y ago
      What do you mean by easily? Recycling is a very industrial operation; it's more than just the neat little recycling containers you see in the suburbs. If iFixit shows you how to do it, you can be guaranteed that professional recyclers can do it. Especially if it's a material of value: they meticulously disassemble dishwashers all the time for the copper contained within. tldr; recycling != recycling bin
  - bcrescimanno 14y ago
    Ah, fair enough. I didn't really go beyond the linked page for the MBP. The fine print seemed just fishy enough to warrant the notion that it didn't mean exactly what it implied. Thanks for setting me right.

The retina macbook is rated EPEAT gold. http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/ http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/

by younata 14y ago

The retina macbook is rated EPEAT gold. http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/ http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/

Interesting! Unless I'm misunderstanding a subtlety here, the common wisdom seemed to be that the retina MacBook's glue made it ineligible to get EPEAT certification and, since that style of design is obviously Apple's future direction, they pulled their EPEAT participation now.

younata 14y ago
That's actually the first thing I checked once I saw the press release. It mentions that they're putting EPEAT Gold certification on their eligible products, and I'm curious if ineligible products means some of the accessories they sell, and that all their computers meet EPEAT gold.
- mbreese 14y ago
  I assume eligible means computers and displays but not iPads, since EPEAT doesn't rate tablets.
cube13 14y ago
It means one of two different things: Either Apple has changed the glue used in the retina MBP's to go in-line with EPEAT's certification, or the glue was not rated by EPEAT, which would cause them to not certify it in the first place, but it did satisfy the other requirements, so Apple was able to force the certification through.
mkaltenecker 14y ago
I think many people misunderstand where the glue is in the Retina MacBook Pro. They say things like “The display is glued to the case.” which is wrong. The display assembly (the actual screen where the lights shine true) is glued together. I’m not sure but I think that part of the display is always pretty tightly integrated, probably even glued together. (I tried to find information on that and I would be very glad if someone could point me to resources about how laptop displays are usually built.) The difference with Apple’s design (as far as I understand it) is that the frontmost layer of that assembly is also the front glass of the screen. Other laptops with glass in front of the screen put an extra layer of glass in front of the display assembly. The Retina MacBook Pro doesn’t have that extra glass. (My understanding – but please correct me if I’m wrong, I’m really not sure and I would like to know more – is that old displays had a sort of plastic outer layer, now Apple uses a glass outer layer. But that’s not that a big deal, as far as I know, since on the inside all LCDs use glass substrate also – so it’s not as if Apple introduced glass into the display assembly, some was always there, they just added more. But maybe I’m wrong about that.) That display assembly is screwed – not glued – to the case. Behind it are the LEDs and light diffusers. Here is a teardown of the display: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Retina-Display-Teardown/9493/1#.T-B6X6DrlaR http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Retina-Di... The battery is glued to the case - but it seems to that it is eminently removable with the application of some force. If you don’t care about breaking the laptop (since you want to recycle it) that should be no big deal. I mean, Apple replaces the battery for $200, no questions asked. I don’t think they replace the whole Retina MacBook Pro every time they do that, so they must remove the glued-in battery, and that inside a working laptop. If Apple can do it, so can you (especially with a laptop that’s beyond repair).
- grecy 14y ago
  > Apple replaces the battery for $200, no questions asked. I don’t think they replace the whole Retina MacBook Pro every time they do that, so they must remove the glued-in battery, and that inside a working laptop. If Apple can do it, so can you (especially with a laptop that’s beyond repair). This is the best explanation I've seen. Somehow everyone has forgotten this.
  - incision 14y ago
    That's what I told my coworker when her car was in the shop. She can have the transmission in her Honda replaced for about $3300 (10% of the sticker price), or do it herself. Silly girl, she must have forgotten.
    - grecy 14y ago
      I'm not sure if you comment is supposed to be sarcastic... ? I don't see how replacing a transmission in a car is related to getting a glued-in battery out of a laptop for the purpose of recycling (the main discussion here) ?
    - mkaltenecker 14y ago
      (Not at all relevant to recycling, but $200 ain’t a bad price. You can expect to pay about $150 for batteries from other manufacturers, and those are often not as high-quality batteries. Batteries are expensive. In general, not just from Apple. It just sucks that you have to send your damn laptop in and not be able to access it for some time.
- sil3ntmac 14y ago
  The 'glue' in retina displays (based on my experience with the iphone 4's lcd) fuses the front glass to the LCD screen. Usually you can separate the protective glass and the LCD screen, but not on a retina display. That is why if you crack the glass in front of an iPhone 4's LCD, you have to replace the entire LCD (~$70) and not just the glass (~$10).
  - 14y ago

bcrescimanno 14y ago

Read the fine print; it says, "Macbook Pro was rated EPEAT gold." Everywhere else, the Retina Macbook Pro is referred to as "Macbook Pro with Retina Display." They are separate products; and, I'm guessing the EPEAT gold rating does not apply to the Retina MBP (though, if someone can show otherwise, that'd be great).

glhaynes 14y ago
Their environmental report for the MacBook Pro with Retina Display (PDF: http://images.apple.com/environment/reports/docs/macbookpro_retinadisplay_per_june2012.pdf http://images.apple.com/environment/reports/docs/macbookpro_...) specifically says it "Achieves a Gold rating from EPEAT".
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- keithpeter 14y ago
  So you can recycle glass glued to aluminium easily? That is interesting news
  - bdcravens 14y ago
    What do you mean by easily? Recycling is a very industrial operation; it's more than just the neat little recycling containers you see in the suburbs. If iFixit shows you how to do it, you can be guaranteed that professional recyclers can do it. Especially if it's a material of value: they meticulously disassemble dishwashers all the time for the copper contained within. tldr; recycling != recycling bin
- bcrescimanno 14y ago
  Ah, fair enough. I didn't really go beyond the linked page for the MBP. The fine print seemed just fishy enough to warrant the notion that it didn't mean exactly what it implied. Thanks for setting me right.