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Miles to km, yes. As another European, I know that because it's relevant to understand when they talk about speed limits, top speeds of cars, etc. Pounds to kg

Miles to km, yes. As another European, I know that because it's relevant to understand when they talk about speed limits, top speeds of cars, etc. Pounds to kg... If it's written media, I just paste it to Google and get the conversion. If it's movies or shows, honestly I don't think I have found an instance while it actually matters at all. If a movie character says "Oh, no, I've gained 10 pounds in a month, I need to go on a diet" you know that they're sad because that's a non-negligible amount of weight, and knowing how much it exactly is doesn't affect understanding of the movie at all. It's a similar situation to old novels talking about money... When you read a novel from 200 years ago talking about dollars, pounds or whatever, do you look at the historic inflation rate to check today's equivalence? You might, if you're a perfectionist, but the truth is that you can perfectly understand such novels without knowing that just by the context in which they mention money.

Retric 2y ago
Historic inflation numbers are constantly changing depending on the year, pounds to kg is just one number. 2.2 is good enough for most practical purposes, even 1 kg = 1 lbs isn’t that bad and it’s easier to calculate. It’s like not knowing how many months are in a year…. I mean you don’t need to remember, but people will look at you funny if you’re constantly looking it up.
- Al-Khwarizmi 2y ago
  Months in a year is very frequently relevant, though. What I'm trying to say is that pounds in a kilo is not something most Europeans know (or remember) because it's not relevant for us. The example with historic dollars was just to illustrate that you typically don't really need to understand measurements in a movie or show to understand the narrative. Right now I know pounds in a kilo because we're talking about it, but next time I encounter pounds in a context where the value is actually relevant might be years from now, and I'll probably have forgotten by then. Mentions in American media (which was what my parent poster was referring to) aren't enough to prime the memory and keep it fresh because they aren't relevant. If I hear in a show "I've gained 10 pounds", my mind just goes "Oh, they're unhappy because they gained some weight", I don't even stop to think how much a pound was.
  - Retric 2y ago
    It just seems strange to me that you realize you will regularly encounter something and then just not know it is strange to me. Knowing common constants like the square root of 2 is 1.414, square root of 3 is 1.732, e is 2.718, etc isn't about the difficulty in looking them up it's about not needing to derail your thoughts by looking them up.
    - bluGill 2y ago
      There is more to know in life than I will have time to learn. I memorize things I need often, or things I don't need often but in an emergency I will need to know them instantly - everything else I look up on need. It gives me more time to work on the things that are important to me. Unless your goal is to win a trivia contest you shouldn't memorize everything. (nothing wrong with winning a trivia contest if that is your goal, but only a few people can do it across all contests). Every one of your examples are things that I'd look up if I need to - in every context where I'd need them I'd already be using a calculator that has those built in. Everybody should learn CPR, hopefully taking a day every year for the class turns out to be a waste of time at the end of your life but I still encourage everybody to do it. Some people need to know what e is - but it turns out I haven't needed that since I got out of school (learning to use e was in general good for learning rigorous thinking, but no need to memorize e as that value was someplace in my notes when I needed it). There are obscure things I use all the time I have memorized - but they are specific to my job or hobbies.
      - Retric 2y ago
        Looking stuff up isn’t free, which means it both costs time and frequently doesn’t happen. Dismissing stuff as trivia doesn’t make that fundamental tradeoff go away. Do you need to know what 7 x 8 is, or the leader of China? No, but the cost of learning commonly used facts is far less than the non existent benefits of ignorance.
        bluGill 2y ago
        The key is commonly used. I don't think I have ever needed the square root of 3 in a context where I wasn't using a calculator anyway, so memorizing it would have been far more effort than looking it up (since any calculator can look this up instantly). Does it matter who the leader of China is - for some people it does, for other it is trivia not worth the bother of looking up. Back when I was getting my degree 7x8 was important to know (even if a calculator was allowed doing the math mentally was a trick I learned - most college calculus problems are selected to have easy math so if the math is hard I probably need to back up a step and fix my mistake - this trick didn't apply to other classes though), now it is mostly useful in context of proving to my 4th grader that I can do her level of math (7x8 might come up in real life, but only in contexts of a much harder problem so I'd be using a calculator anyway)
- Symbiote 2y ago
  Pounds is just one mostly-American unit. Add to that miles, feet, inches, ounces, cups, pints, quarts, gallons, barrels, acres, bushels and Fahrenheit, each of which might be relevant at most once a year, even for someone who watches a lot of American media. It's about as useful as knowing how many sickles in a galleon, or knuts in a sickle — 1 point gained in the trivia quiz! No-one in Europe will "look at you funny" if you don't know the conversion, except maybe if you live in Britain and it's miles, feet, inches or pints.
  - Retric 2y ago
    Mostly-American or historical European. The Count of Monte Cristo isn't that old yet it was written long before France went metric. Critically measurements are frequently meaningful in works of fiction. Back to the Future's 88 miles per hour would mean something very different if it was the equivalent of 40 kph or 400 kph, but nobody is looking it up while watching. Sickles in a galleon shows up in one franchise, inches shows up in millions.
caf 2y ago
I did actually do this the other day, to get some idea of how much Scrooge is offering to pay the boy in the street to go and buy the turkey for him at the end of A Christmas Carol.
- bluGill 2y ago
  So how much was it? It would take time some time to look that up (find the story, find that part of the story...) when you know it anyway and can thus allow me to be lazy.
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  - caf 2y ago
    I think about $25, twice that in the Muppets Christmas Carol because they doubled the amount he offers for some reason.
andrepd 2y ago
I feel like you're being contrarian on purpose. Surely remembering that 1kg ≈ 2lb is not that hard...
- dagss 2y ago
  Well after reading this thread I will remember 2:1 forever... Really is is just a measurement of how often you encounter facts. What you encounter often you cache and remember. Trivia you never use you don't. As a 41 year old Norwegian, I have not encountered pounds often enough in my life to remember this fact. It's not like I have ever used Google to convert either. It just isn't relevant. It is like..what is the currency of Malaysia? I really have no clue. Pounds is just something I almost never encounter. Closest real use for pounds I can remember having I think was in "pound per square inch" pressure vs Newtons; but in that conversion there is so much else. (Yes, before this thread I did have a vague sense. I would have said a pound was more than 200g and less than 800g I think.)

Retric 2y ago

Historic inflation numbers are constantly changing depending on the year, pounds to kg is just one number. 2.2 is good enough for most practical purposes, even 1 kg = 1 lbs isn’t that bad and it’s easier to calculate. It’s like not knowing how many months are in a year…. I mean you don’t need to remember, but people will look at you funny if you’re constantly looking it up.

Al-Khwarizmi 2y ago
Months in a year is very frequently relevant, though. What I'm trying to say is that pounds in a kilo is not something most Europeans know (or remember) because it's not relevant for us. The example with historic dollars was just to illustrate that you typically don't really need to understand measurements in a movie or show to understand the narrative. Right now I know pounds in a kilo because we're talking about it, but next time I encounter pounds in a context where the value is actually relevant might be years from now, and I'll probably have forgotten by then. Mentions in American media (which was what my parent poster was referring to) aren't enough to prime the memory and keep it fresh because they aren't relevant. If I hear in a show "I've gained 10 pounds", my mind just goes "Oh, they're unhappy because they gained some weight", I don't even stop to think how much a pound was.
- Retric 2y ago
  It just seems strange to me that you realize you will regularly encounter something and then just not know it is strange to me. Knowing common constants like the square root of 2 is 1.414, square root of 3 is 1.732, e is 2.718, etc isn't about the difficulty in looking them up it's about not needing to derail your thoughts by looking them up.
  - bluGill 2y ago
    There is more to know in life than I will have time to learn. I memorize things I need often, or things I don't need often but in an emergency I will need to know them instantly - everything else I look up on need. It gives me more time to work on the things that are important to me. Unless your goal is to win a trivia contest you shouldn't memorize everything. (nothing wrong with winning a trivia contest if that is your goal, but only a few people can do it across all contests). Every one of your examples are things that I'd look up if I need to - in every context where I'd need them I'd already be using a calculator that has those built in. Everybody should learn CPR, hopefully taking a day every year for the class turns out to be a waste of time at the end of your life but I still encourage everybody to do it. Some people need to know what e is - but it turns out I haven't needed that since I got out of school (learning to use e was in general good for learning rigorous thinking, but no need to memorize e as that value was someplace in my notes when I needed it). There are obscure things I use all the time I have memorized - but they are specific to my job or hobbies.
    - Retric 2y ago
      Looking stuff up isn’t free, which means it both costs time and frequently doesn’t happen. Dismissing stuff as trivia doesn’t make that fundamental tradeoff go away. Do you need to know what 7 x 8 is, or the leader of China? No, but the cost of learning commonly used facts is far less than the non existent benefits of ignorance.
      - bluGill 2y ago
        The key is commonly used. I don't think I have ever needed the square root of 3 in a context where I wasn't using a calculator anyway, so memorizing it would have been far more effort than looking it up (since any calculator can look this up instantly). Does it matter who the leader of China is - for some people it does, for other it is trivia not worth the bother of looking up. Back when I was getting my degree 7x8 was important to know (even if a calculator was allowed doing the math mentally was a trick I learned - most college calculus problems are selected to have easy math so if the math is hard I probably need to back up a step and fix my mistake - this trick didn't apply to other classes though), now it is mostly useful in context of proving to my 4th grader that I can do her level of math (7x8 might come up in real life, but only in contexts of a much harder problem so I'd be using a calculator anyway)
Symbiote 2y ago
Pounds is just one mostly-American unit. Add to that miles, feet, inches, ounces, cups, pints, quarts, gallons, barrels, acres, bushels and Fahrenheit, each of which might be relevant at most once a year, even for someone who watches a lot of American media. It's about as useful as knowing how many sickles in a galleon, or knuts in a sickle — 1 point gained in the trivia quiz! No-one in Europe will "look at you funny" if you don't know the conversion, except maybe if you live in Britain and it's miles, feet, inches or pints.
- Retric 2y ago
  Mostly-American or historical European. The Count of Monte Cristo isn't that old yet it was written long before France went metric. Critically measurements are frequently meaningful in works of fiction. Back to the Future's 88 miles per hour would mean something very different if it was the equivalent of 40 kph or 400 kph, but nobody is looking it up while watching. Sickles in a galleon shows up in one franchise, inches shows up in millions.

caf 2y ago

I did actually do this the other day, to get some idea of how much Scrooge is offering to pay the boy in the street to go and buy the turkey for him at the end of A Christmas Carol.

bluGill 2y ago
So how much was it? It would take time some time to look that up (find the story, find that part of the story...) when you know it anyway and can thus allow me to be lazy.
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- caf 2y ago
  I think about $25, twice that in the Muppets Christmas Carol because they doubled the amount he offers for some reason.

andrepd 2y ago

I feel like you're being contrarian on purpose. Surely remembering that 1kg ≈ 2lb is not that hard...

dagss 2y ago
Well after reading this thread I will remember 2:1 forever... Really is is just a measurement of how often you encounter facts. What you encounter often you cache and remember. Trivia you never use you don't. As a 41 year old Norwegian, I have not encountered pounds often enough in my life to remember this fact. It's not like I have ever used Google to convert either. It just isn't relevant. It is like..what is the currency of Malaysia? I really have no clue. Pounds is just something I almost never encounter. Closest real use for pounds I can remember having I think was in "pound per square inch" pressure vs Newtons; but in that conversion there is so much else. (Yes, before this thread I did have a vague sense. I would have said a pound was more than 200g and less than 800g I think.)