> in actual production, people prefer to operate at the container level + traffic management, and dont touch anything deeper than the container I mean, this se

> in actual production, people prefer to operate at the container level + traffic management, and dont touch anything deeper than the container I mean, this seems to be "best practices" these days, but I certainly don't prefer it. At least the orchestration I use is amazingly slow. And cold loading changes is terrible for long running processes... this makes deployment a major chore. It's less terrible if you're just doing mostly stateless web stuff, but that's not my world. In the time it takes to run terraform plan, I could have pushed erlang code to all my machines, loaded it, and (usually) confirm I fixed what I wanted to fix. Low cost of deploy means you can do more updates which means they can be smaller which makes them easier to review.