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That's a big loss indeed... Speaking of which, what have social scientists done recently?

dijit 2y ago
They’re a support framework for macro decision making. All those economics papers you read, all those studies on lifestyle and integration and the effects of migration etc; all come from social sciences. Economics is a social science.
- kurayashi 2y ago
  Just to add a few from a very quick Wikipedia search: > In addition to sociology, it now encompasses a wide array of academic disciplines, including anthropology, archaeology, economics, geography, history, linguistics, management, communication studies, psychology, culturology and political science.[1] [1]: https://www.britannica.com/topic/social-science https://www.britannica.com/topic/social-science
- apocadam 2y ago
  I'm not entirely sure that for the purposes of funding it is. Typically it exists in the Business school/faculty as opposed to arts in NZ.
- curtisblaine 2y ago
  It's not going really well, is it? It looks like that every political election in the West is a gigantic plea to end or reduce illegal immigration, yet pretty much every study I see about the correlation between illegal immigrants and crime says that yes, illegal immigrants are overrepresented in crime statistics (mainly an effect of them being younger, male and poorer / less educated in average), but somehow crime rates are unaffected by illegal immigration, and never try to explain the "somehow" (the answer is probably that more crimes go unreported and illegal immigrants are not enough yet to tip the global crime scale). The impression is that investigating these topics in too much detail is frown upon (as in: not good for your career) in academia, and it's always more politically prudent to gloss over them. (see for example: https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/jep.38.1.181 https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/jep.38.1.181)
  - pasabagi 2y ago
    I mean, it's not a very interesting research topic? People who are poor and young commit certain categories of crime more often. That has nothing to do with immigration or race or whatever.
    - curtisblaine 2y ago
      I mean, it is? It's the most divisive political topic at the moment and the reason why populisms are on the rise? If anything, I'd expect more and more detailed studies on that?
      - pasabagi 2y ago
        Trying to prove correlations between race and crime is literally the historical basis of criminology as a discipline. They failed, it's stupid, and now people know better. You can commission as many studies as you like on astrology, and they'll all be meaningless.
        curtisblaine 2y ago
        If you read the thread, you will find that this is not about the correlation between race and crime, but about the correlation between illegal immigration and crime.
    - dijit 2y ago
      exactly and it’s fantastic that we have social sciences to prove that there is a correlation between poverty and crime. otherwise, misrepresentations of issues (like the parents) would be over-represented publicly and not refuted. (which is important, because tackling crime is only possible if you understand the actual causes themselves.)
    - curtisblaine 2y ago
      It has everything to do with illegal immigration because illegal immigration is a constant influx of people that are within the "right" demographics for crime (young, male, less educated, less wealthy etc). If you change the demographics of a country to add poor young people every year, you get a higher incidence of crime by definition.
slowmotiony 2y ago
A Colorado university recently proved that lying is a good political strategy because candidates who lie to their voters do not lose support even if caught and proven to be spreading falsehoods. Not really sure if that really contributed to humanity but here you go. https://www.cpr.org/2024/04/03/new-study-finds-voters-ok-with-dishonesty-from-candidates-they-support/ https://www.cpr.org/2024/04/03/new-study-finds-voters-ok-wit...
blitzar 2y ago
What have the Romans ever done for us?

They’re a support framework for macro decision making. All those economics papers you read, all those studies on lifestyle and integration and the effects of migration etc; all come from social sciences. Economics is a social science.

kurayashi 2y ago
Just to add a few from a very quick Wikipedia search: > In addition to sociology, it now encompasses a wide array of academic disciplines, including anthropology, archaeology, economics, geography, history, linguistics, management, communication studies, psychology, culturology and political science.[1] [1]: https://www.britannica.com/topic/social-science https://www.britannica.com/topic/social-science
apocadam 2y ago
I'm not entirely sure that for the purposes of funding it is. Typically it exists in the Business school/faculty as opposed to arts in NZ.
curtisblaine 2y ago
It's not going really well, is it? It looks like that every political election in the West is a gigantic plea to end or reduce illegal immigration, yet pretty much every study I see about the correlation between illegal immigrants and crime says that yes, illegal immigrants are overrepresented in crime statistics (mainly an effect of them being younger, male and poorer / less educated in average), but somehow crime rates are unaffected by illegal immigration, and never try to explain the "somehow" (the answer is probably that more crimes go unreported and illegal immigrants are not enough yet to tip the global crime scale). The impression is that investigating these topics in too much detail is frown upon (as in: not good for your career) in academia, and it's always more politically prudent to gloss over them. (see for example: https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/jep.38.1.181 https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/jep.38.1.181)
- pasabagi 2y ago
  I mean, it's not a very interesting research topic? People who are poor and young commit certain categories of crime more often. That has nothing to do with immigration or race or whatever.
  - curtisblaine 2y ago
    I mean, it is? It's the most divisive political topic at the moment and the reason why populisms are on the rise? If anything, I'd expect more and more detailed studies on that?
    - pasabagi 2y ago
      Trying to prove correlations between race and crime is literally the historical basis of criminology as a discipline. They failed, it's stupid, and now people know better. You can commission as many studies as you like on astrology, and they'll all be meaningless.
      - curtisblaine 2y ago
        If you read the thread, you will find that this is not about the correlation between race and crime, but about the correlation between illegal immigration and crime.
  - dijit 2y ago
    exactly and it’s fantastic that we have social sciences to prove that there is a correlation between poverty and crime. otherwise, misrepresentations of issues (like the parents) would be over-represented publicly and not refuted. (which is important, because tackling crime is only possible if you understand the actual causes themselves.)
  - curtisblaine 2y ago
    It has everything to do with illegal immigration because illegal immigration is a constant influx of people that are within the "right" demographics for crime (young, male, less educated, less wealthy etc). If you change the demographics of a country to add poor young people every year, you get a higher incidence of crime by definition.

slowmotiony 2y ago

A Colorado university recently proved that lying is a good political strategy because candidates who lie to their voters do not lose support even if caught and proven to be spreading falsehoods. Not really sure if that really contributed to humanity but here you go. https://www.cpr.org/2024/04/03/new-study-finds-voters-ok-with-dishonesty-from-candidates-they-support/ https://www.cpr.org/2024/04/03/new-study-finds-voters-ok-wit...

blitzar 2y ago

What have the Romans ever done for us?