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The number of layers is irrelevant. It’s transformative. The author had to work hard just to get it to make non exact videos of similar videos. Where it’s goin

The number of layers is irrelevant. It’s transformative. The author had to work hard just to get it to make non exact videos of similar videos. Where it’s going to get interesting is in terms of service where companies start using AI to copy SaaS products by having an AI login and copy competitors features. This breaks not just copyright law but is a breach of contract.

nextworddev 2y ago
Copying SaaS products has been happening for decades even without AI
- patrickhogan1 2y ago
  It has but the speed is what will change and who has the capability to copy.
wizzwizz4 2y ago
And I have to work hard to break DRM, produce accessible transcriptions of images-of-text / images without alt text, and ensure that there is a meaningful machine-readable outline of the document. Doesn't make it transformative. If something is being done by a computer program, and that computer program is not customised (i.e., if you fed it something else, it would do the same "transformation" to a different work), and features of the original are clearly apparent in the derived version, I would be hard-pressed to call that transformative.
- patrickhogan1 2y ago
  I agree with you that there are different interpretations of transformative. This one will play out in the courts. The definition that the copyright courts use is defined by court cases. In that regard I do believe what the models do is transformative, which exculpates them from copyright violations. Not just because someone had to work hard, I agree I didn’t say that very well. I do think they have a much bigger problem with breach of contract claims for potentially violating a tos. It’s becoming clear that the way they acquired some of the data likely has issues. However, they are super proactive at signing agreements to solve these issues (eg deal with Reddit)

nextworddev 2y ago

Copying SaaS products has been happening for decades even without AI

patrickhogan1 2y ago
It has but the speed is what will change and who has the capability to copy.

wizzwizz4 2y ago

And I have to work hard to break DRM, produce accessible transcriptions of images-of-text / images without alt text, and ensure that there is a meaningful machine-readable outline of the document. Doesn't make it transformative. If something is being done by a computer program, and that computer program is not customised (i.e., if you fed it something else, it would do the same "transformation" to a different work), and features of the original are clearly apparent in the derived version, I would be hard-pressed to call that transformative.

patrickhogan1 2y ago
I agree with you that there are different interpretations of transformative. This one will play out in the courts. The definition that the copyright courts use is defined by court cases. In that regard I do believe what the models do is transformative, which exculpates them from copyright violations. Not just because someone had to work hard, I agree I didn’t say that very well. I do think they have a much bigger problem with breach of contract claims for potentially violating a tos. It’s becoming clear that the way they acquired some of the data likely has issues. However, they are super proactive at signing agreements to solve these issues (eg deal with Reddit)