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I love Pink Floyd and The Wall, though I think it works better with visuals than a standalone album. It's a shame they were unhappy with their own footage of th
by lc9er 2y ago
I love Pink Floyd and The Wall, though I think it works better with visuals than a standalone album. It's a shame they were unhappy with their own footage of the few stage shows they performed of The Wall. My dad saw the New York show, for which I'll forever be jealous.
If you're a casual PF fan, I'd recommend two overlooked albums of the 70's - Meddle and Animals. Meddle is probably the first album to sound like what the public recognizes as Pink Floyd.
Animals is, to me, a masterpiece. Gilmour and Wright, especially, are amazing. It's dark and cynical, but maybe not as hopeless as The Wall. "Dogs" may be the best guitar work Gilmour has ever done, aside from "Comfortably Numb". Sadly, it seems like most of the band didn't like Waters controlling behavior and the dark turn his lyrics took on this album.
- encoderer 2y agoAs a fan of Waters I would add The Final Cut to that list.
- UberFly 2y agoFinal Cut could really be considered Waters' first solo album. One that the other members contributed to, so to speak.
- encoderer 2y agoYes, very much agreed, and when you compare that to his works like Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking you see that being in the band really did bring out his best. I am too kind to comment on Pink Floyd’s albums without Roger, though.
- UberFly 2y agoI was at a Brit Floyd concert (cover band super highly recommended) and during the few Division Bell songs everyone was running to use the bathroom so as to not miss the real Floyd music. :)
- Keyframe 2y agoThere are (dozens) of us who really like Division Bell, come on.
- jzb 2y agoI thought that Momentary Lapse of Reason was okay: but that could be because it came out when I was a teen and apt to be uncritical about albums. I still enjoy it, but I can tell it’s a lesser work, now. The rest don’t even hold my attention, though. Not even enough to dislike them.
- mrkpdl 2y agoIt’s so interesting how people go either way on this. I’ve thought about it a bit (Pink Floyd are a bit of an obsession for me). I much prefer the Division Bell to the Final Cut. To the point where I find the Final Cut to be mostly boring, and many of Roger’s solo albums the same. I think my brain is just way more into the music than the words. The melodies are what bring me to Pink Floyd. I think David’s guitar and Rick’s synth say more to me than Rog’s lyrics. I also feel that without Rick the band loses its heart, and this shows mightily on the wall where his contributions were limited.
- MrMcCall 2y agoYeah, I saw The Wall in college and once was enough for me. I think your analysis of Waters is spot-on, as I've just introduced my teens to Dark Side (which they love) -- it's nice to have skipped it until my mid-50s, and now fully enjoy it and not be burned out on it. And our daughter appreciates Animals as well. Thanks for the recommend on Meddle.
- cassianoleal 2y agoAnimals is also one of my favourites. Now, this may sound like blasphemy but I find Les Claypool's Frog Brigade's rendering of Animals even better than Pink Floyd's. Heavier, darker and incredibly visceral, whilst still being as faithful to the original as it could be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n4Cc7lX4NI&list=PLiEEpOHWcmcY2HbR-PuM_p2jKEh63n1NT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n4Cc7lX4NI&list=PLiEEpOHWcm...
- mega_dean 2y ago> still being as faithful to the original as it could be Wow, you weren't kidding - it's basically a note-for-note cover of the whole album. Thanks for sharing the link!
- Klonoar 2y agoIf we’re discussing Pink Floyd covers, I’d like to once again point people to Nightwish covering “High Hopes”. No, it can’t replace the original - but taken on its own it’s frankly amazing.
- duderific 2y ago> I'd recommend two overlooked albums of the 70's - Meddle and Animals. I'd even throw Obscured by Clouds in there, which has some straight up rock jams as well as the more moody sound that became typical later.
- fuzzfactor 2y ago>Obscured by Clouds In their own way as an art band that's not-yet-popular-and-nobody-knows-if-they-ever-will-be, they were still following in the footsteps of the Beatles anyway with this early movie soundtrack. Too bad they weren't the stars of the movie. There was also a movie called Zabriskie Point where they did some work on the soundtrack of that.
- cancerhacker 2y agoI really started listening to music as a teen because of the wall, but _obscured_ really hit me at an emotional level, years later, and has become one of my favorite albums. In particular “Childhood’s End” always gives me goosebumps / tears / a feeling of connectedness. (I would want that played as the last track for my funeral, if I were to have one, although I should probably require attendees have decent headphones!)
- defrost 2y agoDid you ever watch La Vallée, the film Obscured By Clouds was commissioned to serve as the soundtrack for?
- fuzzfactor 2y agoThis is one I learned when the record first came out. Single-handedly as a teenager just banging on acoustic guitar. Played it thousands of times, usually for myself to warm up. Different every time, and still haven't sounded very much like Pink Floyd yet ;) Still most people have never heard me do it ever. There's not that many Floyd tunes that are so great without a band of some kind anyway. That's my story and I'm sticking to it ;) I'm not an active musician or songwriter at all and when I do play for people intentionally it would usually be things that are more familiar. But every now and then somebody will hand me a guitar or just say "play us something". They know it's going to be oldies :) In the right situation as I accept I sometimes answer with the simple question; "Childhood's End?" Without allowing enough time for a response then I just start banging. I already saw the look in their eye. This is a tune that keeps giving and I'm trying to give them what it's giving you :)
- grujicd 2y agoGilmour also played bass on Animals.
- aidos 2y agoDid not know that! The pulsing baseline on Sheep is awesome. Not as awesome as the way the vocals tail off into hypnotic synth at the end of each line. It’s such a well crafted album.
- Philpax 2y agoEchoes, which is on Meddle, is one of my favourite tracks of all time. It's an incredible sonic journey through all kinds of territory, and I find myself rejuvenated after having listened to it.
- fuzzfactor 2y agoThis was the year that Roland became a guitar effects company but "nobody" knew it yet. Of course Boss pedals wouldn't appear for years, but the Roland Space Echo was a little portable accessory tape echo effect that got them started in this direction and made it all possible. I eventually got one and by the time it needed restoration in the 1990's the internet was already out and it only took a couple years before the electronic schematic showed up by pure luck one day. I went over the whole thing in detail, I knew there were input impedance mismatches with many instruments from the way it acted, but it still sounded cool and people always loved it anyway. But when it came to the tape itself, I just couldn't believe it. With all good components and ideal spec operation, there was no way to get the tape bias anywhere near what it was supposed to be for any known tape formulations. By a long shot. It still worked but just barely, and that's what everybody had been enjoying from the beginning, no different than they were when new. With major modification to the bias circuit, it's way better than new after that. Turns out the high-tech Japanese electronics outfit built its first momentum toward becoming the biggest guitar effects company starting with a tape echo unit, when the engineering was so far off it could only be that nobody involved knew what they should have known about tape bias at all. One of the critical things that all studios and especially audio enginers kept up with since all they had was tape and it was everywhere.
- ryandrake 2y agoNot sure I'd call Animals overlooked. It top-3's pretty much everyone's PF album rankings. Yes, DSOTM gets a lot of attention, but Animals is a well-recognized amazing album.
- aidenn0 2y agoI think saying it's overlooked for "casual PF fans" is definitely true. Source: I'm a casual PF fan and have never listened to it.
- acdha 2y agoI think with the “casual” qualifier it’s accurate. I used to listen to a couple of radio stations when commuting in the 90s and 2000s - DSOTM and The Wall were staples (the former even got a full album play when they were doing a weekend top album event) but I can’t ever recall hearing anything from Animals on a mainstream station.
- zimpenfish 2y agoI remain convinced that Anathema are big fans of "Animals" because if they didn't write "Pulled Under at 2000 Metres a Second"[1] immediately after listening to "Sheep", I'll be a monkey's uncle. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKFzGI8Fxq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKFzGI8Fxq0
- rikthevik 2y agoOne of my advisors saw Pink Floyd play Dark Side in its entirety in London in the 70s. I can't help bringing it up every time I see him.
- fuzzfactor 2y agoI "guess" it's possible to write more about it than there probably were total scraps of paper that Waters ever wrote the actual lyrics on :) Well, PF was a psychedelic art band but they were right up there with the Beatles, Stones, and Who when it comes to studio ability, and I'm sure some promoters and record companies could tell that money could be made somehow. They just didn't know how for a number of years. The leading pop musicians at the time had gotten popular before they were the least bit associated with psychedelics, Floyd didn't have that. The machine was in place but they were not nearly on board yet. Remember, LSD was still quite legal when these British musicians started recording. PF was kind of associated with that before they ever had a chance to get popular though. Regardless, in the years leading up to the festivals of which Woodstock is the most well-known, PF toured the US a bit. About each year, with record company support. Festivals were not a thing yet at all, in fact there was only a very small fraction of the number of live concerts there are now. We had about one per month (we were lucky in my town even though it was not a big city) when I was a young teenager and it was always about the same 20,000 students and young adults at every one. Regardless of genre it was always fun. I never could have gotten my parents to drop us off until after I had won free tickets by calling in to the radio station. On a land line there were so many callers trying to win, you would usually get a busy signal. Plus the Touch-Tone telephones were still just a dream, and the pulse dialing spinner had a governed return spring. It was pretty slow, so you could not make that many repeat attempts before someone else had won. Hacked into that and made it spin back as fast as the phone line would tolerate. PF never got any serious airplay and most people had never heard of them until Dark Side came out in 1973. I had already seen them 5 times before that. Had a driver's license by then and took other kids. It was the female vocals and saxophone that finally put them on top after they had gone along with all kinds of record company plans. From that point on what had been laid-back art concerts turned into crowded pop music events. Basically for five full years people told me I was crazy and nobody was ever going to significantly play Pink Floyd on the radio :\ PF had always gone without an opening act, playing the first set of previous material only, and coming back after a long break to perform the new stuff. The people who had seen them before knew it was like this. But that first live appearance in 1973 after Dark Side had been all over the radio was nuts. About 90% of the fans had never heard of Pink Floyd until a few months earlier. The band came out at 8:00 as usual, non-pretentiously in their t-shirts, no announcements, IIRC they opened with something from Obscured but surely over half the people didn't even realize it was PF playing already. There was absolutely nothing familiar to them for the whole set. There was a bit of rowdiness and the band had to calm the crowd somewhat at one point. When they came back out to do the Dark Side of the Moon, it's been different than it was the hour before. Ever since.
- marpstar 2y agoI was fortunate enough to see David Gilmour play live this past October at Hollywood Bowl in Los Angeles. The energy when he played Comfortably Numb was absolutely indescribable. I, too, think that Animals is a masterpiece. Also agree that it's "overlooked" (though some others in the comments seem to have a different assessment) -- most people I know can name tracks from Dark Side and The Wall but that's about it. The songs are too long for radio. "Dogs" is my favorite Pink Floyd song of all time, both lyrically and Gilmour's playing. "You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to. So that when they turn their backs on you, you'll get the chance to put the knife in."
- grvbck 2y ago> The energy when he played Comfortably Numb was absolutely indescribable. Also, the unbelieveable rendition with David Bowie in Royal Albert Hall in 2006. Bowie singing between the notes but in perfect key, Gilmour's solo grittier than usual. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkN7qyaFEUU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkN7qyaFEUU
- polotics 2y agoIf you like this, then Bowie's amazing overtones on Placebo's "without you I'm nothing" is something you should love. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c14qMbmP9eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c14qMbmP9eg
- emmelaich 2y agoI found Animals weirdly disappointing after Dark Side and Wish. Maybe I'll give it another go. A great sampler of earlier PF is Ummagumma, the double combo live and studio album. FWIW, Live at Pompeii is free on Youtube.
- wlonkly 2y agoOh man, I had a fuzzy, nth-copy VHS tape of Live at Pompeii when I was in high school. I'll have to check that out, thanks!
- aueeeh 2y agoI listened pf back and forth for years. What i never get tired of is Meddle and Atom Heart Mother. Maybe because its not heavely played. I was once at a tribute show where three different bands were playing. The last band were three guys playing Atom Heart Mother. They nailed it. No orchestra just the spirit of early pf.
- CPLX 2y agoIf we’re making recommendations of non-obvious Pink Floyd things to recommend we have to include Live At Pompeii, a feature length live concert movie. I must have watched the version of Echoes a thousand times it’s utterly mesmerizing.
- fuzzfactor 2y agoThis was originally billed as "The Pink Floyd Movie" and was only in selected movie theaters, because there had to be facilities to accomodate the Quadraphonic surround sound concert speaker system that toured with it. Never widely seen to begin with, and did not re-appear until many years later in some form. It usually doesn't take 1000 times to realize what I saw that day. So I don't know if this is part of it any more, but the live Pompeii scenes were all material from before Dark Side, ensemble playing and it looked like they were having a good time there. In the original movie, between the outdoor live scenes where they were just having fun, they would cut to out-takes from Dark Side studio sessions, often one member at a time with headphones, subdued atmosphere, carefuly crafting an effort to be as popular as they could be. Not boring but you could tell they were not having the same kind of fun. Very interesting actually but excitement jumped back up whenever they cut back to Pompeii. It was basically a documentary of what it was like before most people ever heard of them. And it looked like they really wanted people to see the difference in the previous stuff that millions had missed not only on record, but missed live when it was first released.
- fallinditch 2y agoCheck out this truly classic first time listen reaction video for Dogs off the Animals album [1]. (Who is that guitarist?!) King KTF makes you appreciate this track even more than you believed :-) [1] https://youtu.be/JBPRSKRnpyI?feature=shared https://youtu.be/JBPRSKRnpyI?feature=shared
- emmelaich 2y agoI like The Wall musically and was a big fan of Pink Floyd. However, overall, it annoyed me for being too dark and cynical. Maybe it's because I come from a family of teachers and saw all the town ratbags and losers enjoying singing "We Don't Need No Education".