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Bye Bye fun. They should really make it mandatory to know and demonstrate you know how to change a wheel, check the oil dip-stick and all basic car maintenance

Bye Bye fun. They should really make it mandatory to know and demonstrate you know how to change a wheel, check the oil dip-stick and all basic car maintenance. That was the best part of owning the car, knowing you were taking care of the car. A part of cooking is experimenting. If we are now needing VR goggles because you can't follow a recipe something has gone terribly wrong. I'd wager that these devices will take away skill rather than gain. I know I'm not the VR generation, and very skeptically annoyed for that all this is coming from Google, Microsoft and co. Some things should be real and practical skills everyone should know. The more we rely on such technology the more failure that will come from it.

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russdill 2y ago
I mean sure, and the fun part of LEGO is making new creations. But before you get to that point, building several sets by instruction helps build associations of how to get certain results. For someone new to cooking, the recipe says "slice thinly" and they have no idea if they are doing a good job or not. They could simply ask an AI if they are doing good and it could provide feedback.
darkwizard42 2y ago
Perhaps you might consider technology like this to help assist folks in learning how to do complete basic car maintenance. After all, the first time you changed a tire you probably needed some kind of assistance. Similarly knowing how to follow a recipe is one thing, but knowing what a soup needs to adjust its color or taste is a skill which you can help with.
outlore 2y ago
How are VR goggles different from referencing a textbook, Googling a tutorial or watching a YouTube video? Perhaps it’s the more instantaneous nature of it. Maybe you are making the point that it is more advantageous to memorize common life skills instead of needing a technical crutch. But how often do we need to change a tire? And when we do, wouldn’t it be better to have the fastest reference guide?
citizenpaul 2y ago
>And the whole part of cooking is experimenting. Ummm no. Not unless you are already very knowledgeable and experienced in cooking. I cook nearly every meal I eat BTW.
- kjrfghslkdjfl 2y ago
  Same, and I hate "experimenting" cooking. I memorize simple recipes and do them a lot. I don't wanna experiment cooking, I want to have eaten.
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  I cook every meal I eat too. Tonight is Egg,Feta,Red Pepper, pie with a rosemary base. > Not unless you are already very knowledgeable and experienced in cooking. I disagree. The only knowledge is knowing what ingredient to add what to effect the flavor. Sweetness, sourness, punch, hotness. Which yes, AI could provide you with, however any search engine can or even a decent cooking book. It's not new. Maybe AI is the new cooking book, but you sure not going to get a decent flavor compared from a well written recipe from a book.
  - citizenpaul 2y ago
    It is not fun being broke, exhausted and having little time to prepare a meal before you drop from exhaustion then do it again the next day. Hoping might get something edible is not fun. You just want something that isnt boiled shoe leather and is inexpensive. If you were not born into a life where people taught you to cook I can assure you learning to cook decent meals on your own is not fun in any way. This "Fun experimental cooking" is a very,very privileged thing.
- Facemelters 2y ago
  yeah most people just want to make food that is healthy and tastes good. Perfectly happy to follow a recipe like a LEGO kit.
kelseyfrog 2y ago
If we are now needing VR goggles because we can't make irl friends, something has gone terribly wrong.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
No accounting for taste. My favorite part of owning a car is when the automatic transmission shifts for me, and when the ABS pumps the brakes for me.
ugh123 2y ago
> That was the best part of owning the car > And the whole part of cooking is experimenting. Both seem out of touch
- Facemelters 2y ago
  yeah the best part of cooking is eating
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  You took pride in your car. If it was your car, you saved up for and not one your parents bought you you had a connection. You knew you were looking after it. I've never had fancy cars, they were almost in the state of rust buckets. People used to knock their doors in to it because "it's old, I mustn't care". No, I saved money to buy that car. It's a feeling you just can't experience without looking after the car practically. The feeling of changing the oil and hearing the different it made. The principle of saving and owning things too is gone.
  - Philpax 2y ago
    This is your experience, but I'm not sure you can generalise it to most people's experience. I like cars - admire them, even - but my car was first and foremost a tool, and my relationship with it was as such. I did the work required to keep it running, but I didn't want to spend more time than that on it. Ditto my 3D printer. There are a lot of things that I'm willing to give the personal touch to, but there are many things where I just don't care and just want it to work, and you can't know ahead of time what that is for everyone. Given that, I'm more than comfortable with giving everyone the tools to Not Give A Shit:tm: for any given subject - if they want to experiment, they will, but that burden shouldn't be pushed onto everyone for every subject. After all, time spent on things you don't care about is time you can't use on the things you do care about.
gdhkgdhkvff 2y ago
The arguments that you’re making can be made for literally any useful piece of technology ever. Eye glasses? They’ll make you too reliant on sight! Computer? The best part about writing is maintaining your typewriter! If you need a car because you can’t ride a horse something has gone terribly wrong. “I know I’m not the VR generation”. Sounds good. Then you don’t need to complain into the either about nothing.
ishtanbul 2y ago
AI will help us develop technology to explore the universe and solve climate change, and access virtually unlimited energy. Everyone will have superpowers. Sounds awesome and very fun.
frereubu 2y ago
I find these kinds of responses interesting. It's not like you have to use these glasses, so this isn't really about you. It's about what you think other people should do, but shoulds are kinda funny. Why should someone know how to change a wheel? Why should people experiment with cooking? You're telling people what they should enjoy, but that's a bit weird isn't it?
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  > Why should someone know how to change a wheel? Because if your car tyre blows out on the motorway causing a an accident because you didn't check the pressure. You should of known that by not checking your wheel, even just kicking it to gauge the pressure. > Why should people experiment with cooking? I'm not saying should. If people like simple food, great. If people want dead food like McD, fine. I find the best part of cooking is experimenting. Making the same cheese toastie over and over again gets boring. The same with pizza. > You're telling people what they should enjoy No I'm not. I'm not telling you shouldn't be on HN right now. I'm saying there are definitely should's in life you should know without needing some sort of technological device. Like how to look after your car so you don't cause a catastrophe. Should an airline not look after their aeroplanes? Boeing didn't and look what happened.
  - exe34 2y ago
    > should of known You should _have_ looked into grammar and spelling before you started posting on the internet.
    - Philpax 2y ago
      I disagree with the parent poster (as I've replied elsewhere) but this is a boring and facile response. Do better.
      - exe34 2y ago
        thank you, your feedback is very important to me! I will now do some soul searching.

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russdill 2y ago

I mean sure, and the fun part of LEGO is making new creations. But before you get to that point, building several sets by instruction helps build associations of how to get certain results. For someone new to cooking, the recipe says "slice thinly" and they have no idea if they are doing a good job or not. They could simply ask an AI if they are doing good and it could provide feedback.

darkwizard42 2y ago

Perhaps you might consider technology like this to help assist folks in learning how to do complete basic car maintenance. After all, the first time you changed a tire you probably needed some kind of assistance. Similarly knowing how to follow a recipe is one thing, but knowing what a soup needs to adjust its color or taste is a skill which you can help with.

outlore 2y ago

How are VR goggles different from referencing a textbook, Googling a tutorial or watching a YouTube video? Perhaps it’s the more instantaneous nature of it. Maybe you are making the point that it is more advantageous to memorize common life skills instead of needing a technical crutch. But how often do we need to change a tire? And when we do, wouldn’t it be better to have the fastest reference guide?

citizenpaul 2y ago

>And the whole part of cooking is experimenting. Ummm no. Not unless you are already very knowledgeable and experienced in cooking. I cook nearly every meal I eat BTW.

kjrfghslkdjfl 2y ago
Same, and I hate "experimenting" cooking. I memorize simple recipes and do them a lot. I don't wanna experiment cooking, I want to have eaten.
doublerabbit 2y ago
I cook every meal I eat too. Tonight is Egg,Feta,Red Pepper, pie with a rosemary base. > Not unless you are already very knowledgeable and experienced in cooking. I disagree. The only knowledge is knowing what ingredient to add what to effect the flavor. Sweetness, sourness, punch, hotness. Which yes, AI could provide you with, however any search engine can or even a decent cooking book. It's not new. Maybe AI is the new cooking book, but you sure not going to get a decent flavor compared from a well written recipe from a book.
- citizenpaul 2y ago
  It is not fun being broke, exhausted and having little time to prepare a meal before you drop from exhaustion then do it again the next day. Hoping might get something edible is not fun. You just want something that isnt boiled shoe leather and is inexpensive. If you were not born into a life where people taught you to cook I can assure you learning to cook decent meals on your own is not fun in any way. This "Fun experimental cooking" is a very,very privileged thing.
Facemelters 2y ago
yeah most people just want to make food that is healthy and tastes good. Perfectly happy to follow a recipe like a LEGO kit.

kelseyfrog 2y ago

If we are now needing VR goggles because we can't make irl friends, something has gone terribly wrong.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago

No accounting for taste. My favorite part of owning a car is when the automatic transmission shifts for me, and when the ABS pumps the brakes for me.

ugh123 2y ago

> That was the best part of owning the car > And the whole part of cooking is experimenting. Both seem out of touch

Facemelters 2y ago
yeah the best part of cooking is eating
doublerabbit 2y ago
You took pride in your car. If it was your car, you saved up for and not one your parents bought you you had a connection. You knew you were looking after it. I've never had fancy cars, they were almost in the state of rust buckets. People used to knock their doors in to it because "it's old, I mustn't care". No, I saved money to buy that car. It's a feeling you just can't experience without looking after the car practically. The feeling of changing the oil and hearing the different it made. The principle of saving and owning things too is gone.
- Philpax 2y ago
  This is your experience, but I'm not sure you can generalise it to most people's experience. I like cars - admire them, even - but my car was first and foremost a tool, and my relationship with it was as such. I did the work required to keep it running, but I didn't want to spend more time than that on it. Ditto my 3D printer. There are a lot of things that I'm willing to give the personal touch to, but there are many things where I just don't care and just want it to work, and you can't know ahead of time what that is for everyone. Given that, I'm more than comfortable with giving everyone the tools to Not Give A Shit:tm: for any given subject - if they want to experiment, they will, but that burden shouldn't be pushed onto everyone for every subject. After all, time spent on things you don't care about is time you can't use on the things you do care about.

gdhkgdhkvff 2y ago

The arguments that you’re making can be made for literally any useful piece of technology ever. Eye glasses? They’ll make you too reliant on sight! Computer? The best part about writing is maintaining your typewriter! If you need a car because you can’t ride a horse something has gone terribly wrong. “I know I’m not the VR generation”. Sounds good. Then you don’t need to complain into the either about nothing.

ishtanbul 2y ago

AI will help us develop technology to explore the universe and solve climate change, and access virtually unlimited energy. Everyone will have superpowers. Sounds awesome and very fun.

frereubu 2y ago

I find these kinds of responses interesting. It's not like you have to use these glasses, so this isn't really about you. It's about what you think other people should do, but shoulds are kinda funny. Why should someone know how to change a wheel? Why should people experiment with cooking? You're telling people what they should enjoy, but that's a bit weird isn't it?

doublerabbit 2y ago
> Why should someone know how to change a wheel? Because if your car tyre blows out on the motorway causing a an accident because you didn't check the pressure. You should of known that by not checking your wheel, even just kicking it to gauge the pressure. > Why should people experiment with cooking? I'm not saying should. If people like simple food, great. If people want dead food like McD, fine. I find the best part of cooking is experimenting. Making the same cheese toastie over and over again gets boring. The same with pizza. > You're telling people what they should enjoy No I'm not. I'm not telling you shouldn't be on HN right now. I'm saying there are definitely should's in life you should know without needing some sort of technological device. Like how to look after your car so you don't cause a catastrophe. Should an airline not look after their aeroplanes? Boeing didn't and look what happened.
- exe34 2y ago
  > should of known You should _have_ looked into grammar and spelling before you started posting on the internet.
  - Philpax 2y ago
    I disagree with the parent poster (as I've replied elsewhere) but this is a boring and facile response. Do better.
    - exe34 2y ago
      thank you, your feedback is very important to me! I will now do some soul searching.