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Yep. Absolutely correct all the way around. It reminds me of the reproductive crisis that started happening in Japan some decades ago. The blame, as I recall i

Yep. Absolutely correct all the way around. It reminds me of the reproductive crisis that started happening in Japan some decades ago. The blame, as I recall it, was on the rigid social norms meant that it was super uncomfortable for everyone whenever a guy tried to talk to a girl. Guys stopped trying and switched to being absorbed in jobs and increasingly niche obsessions, further from the normalcy and reality around them. Seems like we're not taking any hints from their example and instead saying "gee, society is bigger than me, woe is me, I'll just continue digging the hole".

Cumpiler69 2y ago
You alone as an individual can't change societal norms since they really are in fact, bigger than you. It's exactly like evolution in nature. Life didn't start on land because one single fish decided to jump out of the water an breathe air then every other fish followed, no, it started because collectively millions of fishes died trying to do that at the same time over millions of years till adaptation of the species to the new environment happend. Society is exactly like that as a collective. Going against societal norms as a lone wolf, doesn't get you seen as some sort of rebel hero who everyone looks up to, but as a weirdo/creep most of the time if you aren't handsome, rich or charismatic.
- inanutshellus 2y ago
  Again: whether "society" changes is irrelevant. The point of the conversation is that if /you/ are feeling isolated (and, statistically speaking, YOU ARE) /you/ can affect /you/ by breaking out of your lil self-imposed isolation chamber and doing what normal humans do: communicate. Will doing so change society? Who gives a hoot? /You'll feel better/. Frankly these excuses are just that. Excuses. Stop catastrophizing. Start trying. And, while I'm ranting, stop encouraging others to catastrophize too.
  - Cumpiler69 2y ago
    >doing what normal humans do: communicate Communication is a two way street where the other party has no obligation to listen to you when you want to communicate. How do you communicate where people aren't interested in listening to strangers?
    - inanutshellus 2y ago
      The advice is, simply, "reach out." That's it. None of the advice requires the other to person do anything, but you're doing a great job of demonstrating that they /do/! ... Thinking about this thread... I've had another thought. I wonder if those that're trained to primarily communicate online are trained to do so adversarially in order trigger people. Triggering people is the most effective way to keep talking to someone. Like how they say if your child or pet can't get enough attention out of you they'll do naughty things, because even getting yelled at is... attention.

Cumpiler69 2y ago

You alone as an individual can't change societal norms since they really are in fact, bigger than you. It's exactly like evolution in nature. Life didn't start on land because one single fish decided to jump out of the water an breathe air then every other fish followed, no, it started because collectively millions of fishes died trying to do that at the same time over millions of years till adaptation of the species to the new environment happend. Society is exactly like that as a collective. Going against societal norms as a lone wolf, doesn't get you seen as some sort of rebel hero who everyone looks up to, but as a weirdo/creep most of the time if you aren't handsome, rich or charismatic.

inanutshellus 2y ago
Again: whether "society" changes is irrelevant. The point of the conversation is that if /you/ are feeling isolated (and, statistically speaking, YOU ARE) /you/ can affect /you/ by breaking out of your lil self-imposed isolation chamber and doing what normal humans do: communicate. Will doing so change society? Who gives a hoot? /You'll feel better/. Frankly these excuses are just that. Excuses. Stop catastrophizing. Start trying. And, while I'm ranting, stop encouraging others to catastrophize too.
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  >doing what normal humans do: communicate Communication is a two way street where the other party has no obligation to listen to you when you want to communicate. How do you communicate where people aren't interested in listening to strangers?
  - inanutshellus 2y ago
    The advice is, simply, "reach out." That's it. None of the advice requires the other to person do anything, but you're doing a great job of demonstrating that they /do/! ... Thinking about this thread... I've had another thought. I wonder if those that're trained to primarily communicate online are trained to do so adversarially in order trigger people. Triggering people is the most effective way to keep talking to someone. Like how they say if your child or pet can't get enough attention out of you they'll do naughty things, because even getting yelled at is... attention.