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"tyranny" also seems like a concept mostly unrelated to the topic at hand. Practically speaking, nobody can really prevent you from taking your own life.

Retric 2y ago
If only that were true. Someone unable to move is unable to take their own life without assistance. A surprisingly large percentage of people go through some horrific experiences before their bodies completely fail.
- bluefirebrand 2y ago
  This is a vanishingly small percent of cases Someone who is unable to move is probably also unable to unambiguously communicate their wish to be euthanized as well so I really don't think it's that relevant
  - Retric 2y ago
    Bed sores are a reasonable proxy for people being unable to move and they are a common enough risk to be a significant concern. If you can’t even roll over then you’re at the mercy of whatever people are willing to bring you even if you can speak or use a TV remote just fine.
- PittleyDunkin 2y ago
  > Someone unable to move is unable to take their own life without assistance. Denying this assistance isn't really "tyranny", though, even if you do accept that suicide is a right.
  - Retric 2y ago
    > Denying this assistance isn't really "tyranny" Actively preventing someone from providing assistance is. There’s a big difference between not doing something yourself and actively preventing someone else from providing assistance.
    - PittleyDunkin 2y ago
      > Actively preventing someone from providing assistance is. Sure, but this happens with legalization, too. Only licensed physicians can assist in suicide. Other attempts to assist will result in state violence. Most people trying to provide assistance won't be licensed physicians. Which is a completely different effort than the one intended to execute those undesirable to the market. God forbid we support people with anything other than a suicide implement.
      - Retric 2y ago
        Providing assistance isn’t limited to handing someone pills, making the appropriate calls is assistance and a tough moral choice for many. Also, as a purely practical matter physicians can provide both humane options and a clearer separation between direct assistance and murder. Though obviously there’s other possibilities, it’s a tricker issue than it might at first appear.
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Retric 2y ago

If only that were true. Someone unable to move is unable to take their own life without assistance. A surprisingly large percentage of people go through some horrific experiences before their bodies completely fail.

bluefirebrand 2y ago
This is a vanishingly small percent of cases Someone who is unable to move is probably also unable to unambiguously communicate their wish to be euthanized as well so I really don't think it's that relevant
- Retric 2y ago
  Bed sores are a reasonable proxy for people being unable to move and they are a common enough risk to be a significant concern. If you can’t even roll over then you’re at the mercy of whatever people are willing to bring you even if you can speak or use a TV remote just fine.
PittleyDunkin 2y ago
> Someone unable to move is unable to take their own life without assistance. Denying this assistance isn't really "tyranny", though, even if you do accept that suicide is a right.
- Retric 2y ago
  > Denying this assistance isn't really "tyranny" Actively preventing someone from providing assistance is. There’s a big difference between not doing something yourself and actively preventing someone else from providing assistance.
  - PittleyDunkin 2y ago
    > Actively preventing someone from providing assistance is. Sure, but this happens with legalization, too. Only licensed physicians can assist in suicide. Other attempts to assist will result in state violence. Most people trying to provide assistance won't be licensed physicians. Which is a completely different effort than the one intended to execute those undesirable to the market. God forbid we support people with anything other than a suicide implement.
    - Retric 2y ago
      Providing assistance isn’t limited to handing someone pills, making the appropriate calls is assistance and a tough moral choice for many. Also, as a purely practical matter physicians can provide both humane options and a clearer separation between direct assistance and murder. Though obviously there’s other possibilities, it’s a tricker issue than it might at first appear.
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