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I like that first comment: "Microsoft continues to have a terrible abusive relationship with its customers. It's what Microsoft wants, not what the customer wa

I like that first comment: "Microsoft continues to have a terrible abusive relationship with its customers. It's what Microsoft wants, not what the customer wants." Yup, that pretty much sums up why I left for Linux.

hypeatei 2y ago
Recall was the catalyst for me switching to Linux. I do not wish to tinker with Windows so that it doesn't feed my credit card information into an AI black box. Telemetry by default is unacceptable as well, but not to that degree.
eGQjxkKF6fif 2y ago
Good choice. I got Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Manjaro, Endeavour, Mx Linux, Fedora, Red Hat, Debian, Gentoo galore. Desktop Linux has come a long way, and if you like true unix here let me tell you some more. I got GhostBSD (https://www.ghostbsd.org/ https://www.ghostbsd.org/) rocking MATE IDE, if you want lightweight Linux desktop I got LXDE, LXFC, Gnome, KDE, and a whole lot more. If you want true freedom, ditch the spyware and head on over to desktop Linux where we'll welcome you with open arms. The excuse of 'But this... and that...' let me stop you right there. You don't need to configure anything. Download Kubuntu and have fun with customizing everything in the settings. When it comes to Windows and Microsoft products the answer is 'No.' Keep it that way. Freedom matters.
- bilekas 2y ago
  Sounds like you have some commitment issues with picking a distro? Or are you just trying them all out to let us know? Because you've named a few that are all the same family. People who are unfamiliar with Linux will look at this list and just ignore it as too complicated. When in reality it's much simpler.
  - water-data-dude 2y ago
    It rhymes! I’m assuming it matches the meter/rhyme scheme of a particular song, but I’m music stupid, so I can’t really make a guess. But the point is to be funzies and light hearted :)
    - wrboyce 2y ago
      Could it be Modern Major General?
      - eGQjxkKF6fif 2y ago
        It's just something I come up with when I want to share my love for Linux. No need to look too much in to it. I use to have it rhyme more after my 'tell you some more' bit but, not this time. I just love linux.
- stuckkeys 2y ago
  I got ubuntu desktop, I love it.
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  Gnome Fedora 41 is super pleasant and instantaneous on Apple silicon via Asahi. I haven't run into a single issue since installing, really impressive work. AFAIK thunderbolt support is the only thing lagging behind.
- trod1234 2y ago
  I hate to reign on your parade but Canonical (Ubuntu) is doing the same thing as Microsoft just to a slightly lesser extent. The same pretty much goes for any of its many derivatives. Redhat is no longer open. Arch and alpine based have hardware issues. The choices you once had with Linux are far less today than they have been in the past. You almost need to know how to build a distro from scratch to get comparable features and privacy to yesteryear.
  - zeroc8 2y ago
    The situation is totally different. First of all, it's not comparable with the Recall crap that's going with Windows at all. Second, if they really try something fishy, you can just switch to Debian or any of the other distributions. As for hardware, there is plenty of stuff that doesn't cause any troubles at all. Just do some basic research.
    - trod1234 2y ago
      You are mistaken. Dig into tracker-miner-fs, d-bus activation re-parenting, as well as the snap callbacks that can trigger arbitrary local code execution. Usually found in a directory under /usr/libexec in addition to its regular install location, not touching on the spiderweb of cross-connections. If you try to remove or pull out parts of those distro integrations in Ubuntu, you will find that it keeps launching, despite making a clear choice for not wanting those features. There is a spiderweb of cross connections where if you shut down various parts, it fixes and regenerates its capabilities... like malware. They clearly aren't giving people the choice to do what they want on their own hardware. tracker-miner-fs collects metadata, and Recall is just an accessible interface to metadata that is already collected. The underlying metadata is for the most part similar. You will find this also in the package repository where they have named packages, that those packages have been corrupted in a way that makes the corrupt packages indistinct from their legitimate counterparts (to the package manager), the manager launches fixup scripts without notification, and which are embedded to force and regenerate your use of snap. Debian is certainly not immune since tracker-miner-fs is embedded in Gnome. As for hardware, that is also incorrect. There are very few manufacturers that meet full compatibility requirements, they may allow you to boot into a shell (only as a result of the linux kernel devs), but compatibility for standard desktop or server use is not guaranteed. The manufacturers that dominate the market are those who use proprietary firmware blobs through an embedded intermediate firmware based controller. The ideapad lines of Lenovo, and their many off-name rebrandings attest to the hardware compatibility issues even after significant re-engineering effort done to make it compatible still leaves features lacking. When your thermal subsystem cannot expose temperature, power management, or has severe hysteresis gaps, lack of proper enumeration and lack of control of fans/advanced features, its hard to believe it doesn't cause trouble. That's like saying a flaming pile of brick in your lap doesn't cause trouble. Research fails in the absence of source of truth information. Manufacturers regularly omit, misadvertise/misinform, or don't provide documentation at all (i.e. WD with SMR), or correct technical specs to evaluate it prior to a buy, test, return strategy (which isn't research) and a risky approach. I think you should take more than a cursory look around at the current market. Its pretty bad, expensive (for the circuitry involved) and with few choices.
booleandilemma 2y ago
This sums up almost all software today though. My Google Pixel continuously asks me if I want to enable photo backup. Uber Eats continuously asks me to enable notifications. I tell the software no, again and again, day after day, and it keeps prompting me. Most software I use is like this, it seems to be inescapable.
- tdeck 2y ago
  > My Google Pixel continuously asks me if I want to enable photo backup. Google Photos does this on non-Pixel android phones too. Many times when I open the gallery app I'm confronted with a dialog where the backup checkbox is enabled and there's a continue button. It's like Google is trying to trick me into enabling it. This is an incredibly user hostile design. One day I will do it by mistake. I mentioned this to a friend once and he said his kid got ahold of his phone for a few minutes and did enable it, causing a massive upload that put his Google account over quota. Of course it's a huge hassle to go through and unsync the photos without deleting them from the device.
  - GauntletWizard 2y ago
    To be devil's advocate: if they didn't push this so aggressively, the news would be flooded with stories about how Google lost Grandma's photos, an iPhone users don't have this problem (because apple silently enables it, not even giving you a choice).
    - tdeck 2y ago
      After the first and second time I decline this, what's the justification for asking me again? They could at least have a "don't ask again" checkbox.
    - sumeno 2y ago
      You can disable icloud syncing for photos
    - bobim 2y ago
      Ok it's enabled by default on iPhones, but once disabled it stays disabled. What is silently enabled exactly?
KaoruAoiShiho 2y ago
Ironically Recall is what made me go back to windows.
- layoric 2y ago
  I was someone who switched to Linux in the last 12 months due to what was for me an increase in user hostile behavior of Windows. Care to share why, for you, Recall was important enough to switch OS from macOS/Linux(?) to Windows?
tetha 2y ago
A long time ago, Windows was a simple, hassle-free system to run games on. I knew Linux, but I knew Linux would take time to maintain and tinker around with, since that was my job. Thus, my private systems stuck with Windows. Then Wine and especially Steam and Proton started to get to work, and Windows started to turn anti-consumer to a degree. At that point, I was kinda on the fence. Actively switching seemed somewhat scary, but if I had to setup something new, it was kinda... meh either way. Then my Windows-OS SSD died. So I had to reinstall my OS anyway. Then I made the choice to install Fedora and switch back to Windows when it grows annoying. That was... two or three or more years ago? And the thing is, games work. Apps work. Funny enough, old games work better with DosBox and Wine than on windows. I have like two old games I can't get to run, but that's mostly because I don't have the energy to figure out QEMU with Direct3D support, which VirtualBox dropped some time ago for security reasons. And now I'm looking at stuff like this.
- nucleardog 2y ago
  Hey, me too. I managed Linux and BSD on servers all over the place. I worked pretty much exclusively using a Linux VM ... under Windows. Keeps most of the gremlins at bay. Hardware stuff's all handled by Windows, so it generally just works. Trying to play a game? Just run it in Windows and don't worry about it. Every year or so I'd grab a live image and boot it and see what happened. But always ended up at "okay, too much hassle still". Then a few things happened: 1. Valve invested heavily in Proton. They released the Steam Deck so suddenly developers _wanted_ their games to work in Proton. 2. One day I booted up a linux live image and stuff like my webcam just worked out of the box. 3. Microsoft released Windows 11. Upgraded my computer at one point and I just went ahead and threw Debian on it and haven't really run Windows since. (Though I still have it installed. I still haven't found a good alternative to Adobe Lightroom.) I too am really glad I got off of that ride when I did.
pjmlp 2y ago
Yet the only way to have a gaming ecosystem is to translate Windows APIs, until the day Valve learns the OS/2 lesson. They got lucky once, as WinRT ERA didn't took off as Microsoft expected. Next time maybe not.
- raxxorraxor 2y ago
  One reason it didn't take off was probably lacking compatibility layers to Win32 apps though. And a world were you provision apps only through the Windows Store is pure hell. Perhaps it was a strategic decision to not support "legacy" apps. If so, Windows RT was killed by just that.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    WinRT is around, what failed was UWP and the ERA framework on XBox. That world is still coming, see ongoing changes to Windows sandboxing model, now in Win32. And that is the thing, Valve depending on Windows APIs translation, will only work until Microsoft feels like it. Instead they could actually foster a GNU/Linux ecosystem, but not even studios targeting POSIX OSes care to port their stuff into GNU/Linux.
    - fxtentacle 2y ago
      I'm pretty sure studios will care because they did invest work for macOS ports and by now Linux has a larger market share in gaming than macOS.
      - pjmlp 2y ago
        Windows games have a larger market share, reinforced by Proton.
raxxorraxor 2y ago
In contrast to Recall, they pixelate credit card information in Teams calls. Wanted to use the credit card of a colleague and we had to meet face to face like some cavemen. His office was 10m away too.
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hypeatei 2y ago

Recall was the catalyst for me switching to Linux. I do not wish to tinker with Windows so that it doesn't feed my credit card information into an AI black box. Telemetry by default is unacceptable as well, but not to that degree.

eGQjxkKF6fif 2y ago

Good choice. I got Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Manjaro, Endeavour, Mx Linux, Fedora, Red Hat, Debian, Gentoo galore. Desktop Linux has come a long way, and if you like true unix here let me tell you some more. I got GhostBSD (https://www.ghostbsd.org/ https://www.ghostbsd.org/) rocking MATE IDE, if you want lightweight Linux desktop I got LXDE, LXFC, Gnome, KDE, and a whole lot more. If you want true freedom, ditch the spyware and head on over to desktop Linux where we'll welcome you with open arms. The excuse of 'But this... and that...' let me stop you right there. You don't need to configure anything. Download Kubuntu and have fun with customizing everything in the settings. When it comes to Windows and Microsoft products the answer is 'No.' Keep it that way. Freedom matters.

bilekas 2y ago
Sounds like you have some commitment issues with picking a distro? Or are you just trying them all out to let us know? Because you've named a few that are all the same family. People who are unfamiliar with Linux will look at this list and just ignore it as too complicated. When in reality it's much simpler.
- water-data-dude 2y ago
  It rhymes! I’m assuming it matches the meter/rhyme scheme of a particular song, but I’m music stupid, so I can’t really make a guess. But the point is to be funzies and light hearted :)
  - wrboyce 2y ago
    Could it be Modern Major General?
    - eGQjxkKF6fif 2y ago
      It's just something I come up with when I want to share my love for Linux. No need to look too much in to it. I use to have it rhyme more after my 'tell you some more' bit but, not this time. I just love linux.
stuckkeys 2y ago
I got ubuntu desktop, I love it.
jazzyjackson 2y ago
Gnome Fedora 41 is super pleasant and instantaneous on Apple silicon via Asahi. I haven't run into a single issue since installing, really impressive work. AFAIK thunderbolt support is the only thing lagging behind.
trod1234 2y ago
I hate to reign on your parade but Canonical (Ubuntu) is doing the same thing as Microsoft just to a slightly lesser extent. The same pretty much goes for any of its many derivatives. Redhat is no longer open. Arch and alpine based have hardware issues. The choices you once had with Linux are far less today than they have been in the past. You almost need to know how to build a distro from scratch to get comparable features and privacy to yesteryear.
- zeroc8 2y ago
  The situation is totally different. First of all, it's not comparable with the Recall crap that's going with Windows at all. Second, if they really try something fishy, you can just switch to Debian or any of the other distributions. As for hardware, there is plenty of stuff that doesn't cause any troubles at all. Just do some basic research.
  - trod1234 2y ago
    You are mistaken. Dig into tracker-miner-fs, d-bus activation re-parenting, as well as the snap callbacks that can trigger arbitrary local code execution. Usually found in a directory under /usr/libexec in addition to its regular install location, not touching on the spiderweb of cross-connections. If you try to remove or pull out parts of those distro integrations in Ubuntu, you will find that it keeps launching, despite making a clear choice for not wanting those features. There is a spiderweb of cross connections where if you shut down various parts, it fixes and regenerates its capabilities... like malware. They clearly aren't giving people the choice to do what they want on their own hardware. tracker-miner-fs collects metadata, and Recall is just an accessible interface to metadata that is already collected. The underlying metadata is for the most part similar. You will find this also in the package repository where they have named packages, that those packages have been corrupted in a way that makes the corrupt packages indistinct from their legitimate counterparts (to the package manager), the manager launches fixup scripts without notification, and which are embedded to force and regenerate your use of snap. Debian is certainly not immune since tracker-miner-fs is embedded in Gnome. As for hardware, that is also incorrect. There are very few manufacturers that meet full compatibility requirements, they may allow you to boot into a shell (only as a result of the linux kernel devs), but compatibility for standard desktop or server use is not guaranteed. The manufacturers that dominate the market are those who use proprietary firmware blobs through an embedded intermediate firmware based controller. The ideapad lines of Lenovo, and their many off-name rebrandings attest to the hardware compatibility issues even after significant re-engineering effort done to make it compatible still leaves features lacking. When your thermal subsystem cannot expose temperature, power management, or has severe hysteresis gaps, lack of proper enumeration and lack of control of fans/advanced features, its hard to believe it doesn't cause trouble. That's like saying a flaming pile of brick in your lap doesn't cause trouble. Research fails in the absence of source of truth information. Manufacturers regularly omit, misadvertise/misinform, or don't provide documentation at all (i.e. WD with SMR), or correct technical specs to evaluate it prior to a buy, test, return strategy (which isn't research) and a risky approach. I think you should take more than a cursory look around at the current market. Its pretty bad, expensive (for the circuitry involved) and with few choices.

booleandilemma 2y ago

This sums up almost all software today though. My Google Pixel continuously asks me if I want to enable photo backup. Uber Eats continuously asks me to enable notifications. I tell the software no, again and again, day after day, and it keeps prompting me. Most software I use is like this, it seems to be inescapable.

tdeck 2y ago
> My Google Pixel continuously asks me if I want to enable photo backup. Google Photos does this on non-Pixel android phones too. Many times when I open the gallery app I'm confronted with a dialog where the backup checkbox is enabled and there's a continue button. It's like Google is trying to trick me into enabling it. This is an incredibly user hostile design. One day I will do it by mistake. I mentioned this to a friend once and he said his kid got ahold of his phone for a few minutes and did enable it, causing a massive upload that put his Google account over quota. Of course it's a huge hassle to go through and unsync the photos without deleting them from the device.
- GauntletWizard 2y ago
  To be devil's advocate: if they didn't push this so aggressively, the news would be flooded with stories about how Google lost Grandma's photos, an iPhone users don't have this problem (because apple silently enables it, not even giving you a choice).
  - tdeck 2y ago
    After the first and second time I decline this, what's the justification for asking me again? They could at least have a "don't ask again" checkbox.
  - sumeno 2y ago
    You can disable icloud syncing for photos
  - bobim 2y ago
    Ok it's enabled by default on iPhones, but once disabled it stays disabled. What is silently enabled exactly?

KaoruAoiShiho 2y ago

Ironically Recall is what made me go back to windows.

layoric 2y ago
I was someone who switched to Linux in the last 12 months due to what was for me an increase in user hostile behavior of Windows. Care to share why, for you, Recall was important enough to switch OS from macOS/Linux(?) to Windows?

tetha 2y ago

A long time ago, Windows was a simple, hassle-free system to run games on. I knew Linux, but I knew Linux would take time to maintain and tinker around with, since that was my job. Thus, my private systems stuck with Windows. Then Wine and especially Steam and Proton started to get to work, and Windows started to turn anti-consumer to a degree. At that point, I was kinda on the fence. Actively switching seemed somewhat scary, but if I had to setup something new, it was kinda... meh either way. Then my Windows-OS SSD died. So I had to reinstall my OS anyway. Then I made the choice to install Fedora and switch back to Windows when it grows annoying. That was... two or three or more years ago? And the thing is, games work. Apps work. Funny enough, old games work better with DosBox and Wine than on windows. I have like two old games I can't get to run, but that's mostly because I don't have the energy to figure out QEMU with Direct3D support, which VirtualBox dropped some time ago for security reasons. And now I'm looking at stuff like this.

nucleardog 2y ago
Hey, me too. I managed Linux and BSD on servers all over the place. I worked pretty much exclusively using a Linux VM ... under Windows. Keeps most of the gremlins at bay. Hardware stuff's all handled by Windows, so it generally just works. Trying to play a game? Just run it in Windows and don't worry about it. Every year or so I'd grab a live image and boot it and see what happened. But always ended up at "okay, too much hassle still". Then a few things happened: 1. Valve invested heavily in Proton. They released the Steam Deck so suddenly developers _wanted_ their games to work in Proton. 2. One day I booted up a linux live image and stuff like my webcam just worked out of the box. 3. Microsoft released Windows 11. Upgraded my computer at one point and I just went ahead and threw Debian on it and haven't really run Windows since. (Though I still have it installed. I still haven't found a good alternative to Adobe Lightroom.) I too am really glad I got off of that ride when I did.

pjmlp 2y ago

Yet the only way to have a gaming ecosystem is to translate Windows APIs, until the day Valve learns the OS/2 lesson. They got lucky once, as WinRT ERA didn't took off as Microsoft expected. Next time maybe not.

raxxorraxor 2y ago
One reason it didn't take off was probably lacking compatibility layers to Win32 apps though. And a world were you provision apps only through the Windows Store is pure hell. Perhaps it was a strategic decision to not support "legacy" apps. If so, Windows RT was killed by just that.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  WinRT is around, what failed was UWP and the ERA framework on XBox. That world is still coming, see ongoing changes to Windows sandboxing model, now in Win32. And that is the thing, Valve depending on Windows APIs translation, will only work until Microsoft feels like it. Instead they could actually foster a GNU/Linux ecosystem, but not even studios targeting POSIX OSes care to port their stuff into GNU/Linux.
  - fxtentacle 2y ago
    I'm pretty sure studios will care because they did invest work for macOS ports and by now Linux has a larger market share in gaming than macOS.
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      Windows games have a larger market share, reinforced by Proton.

raxxorraxor 2y ago

In contrast to Recall, they pixelate credit card information in Teams calls. Wanted to use the credit card of a colleague and we had to meet face to face like some cavemen. His office was 10m away too.

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