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But (odds are) you trust them enough to walk around your home wearing their microphone. Letting them listen in on all your conversations and show you ads based

But (odds are) you trust them enough to walk around your home wearing their microphone. Letting them listen in on all your conversations and show you ads based on those, if the conspiracy theories are true. (Unless if you're an iPhone user, then you trust Apple - and make no mistake, they're building the exact same product, they just pathologically avoid talking about prototypes) It's boiling the frog. Unthinkable, until everybody is doing it and it's normal.

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acdha 2y ago
The number of people buying Apple devices for privacy suggests that quite a few people do not trust them, and while the rumors have flown around for years they’ve never been confirmed. That’s a contrast with, say, smart TV content recognition so it seems unlikely that Android phones are secretly monitoring what you say without anyone noticing the data being transmitted or the battery drain.
- elcritch 2y ago
  > so it seems unlikely that Android phones are secretly monitoring what you say without anyone noticing the data being transmitted or the battery drain. Ah! So that’s why Androids always have bigger batteries than iPhones. ;)
  - acdha 2y ago
    I get the joke but it actually works the other way: since Android devices had a 2-5 year lag behind Apple for CPU performance it would be harder to hide some hypothetical always-on analysis, especially on the cheaper and slower devices where most of the global growth had been.
sroussey 2y ago
The conspiracy theories of phones listening is not true. TVs absolutely do that however, and it’s the first thing to disable in settings for a smart tv. I even block the TV from internet since I use an Apple TV for the streaming.
- LorenDB 2y ago
  I used to agree with you, but unfortunately the conspiracy is true (or at least was at one point): https://www.pcworld.com/article/2450052/do-smartphones-listen-to-everything-new-evidence-speaks-in-favour.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2450052/do-smartphones-liste...
  - acdha 2y ago
    The source of that article is very clear that the device types are not known: https://www.404media.co/heres-the-pitch-deck-for-active-listening-ad-targeting/ https://www.404media.co/heres-the-pitch-deck-for-active-list... Given that this a slide deck for a cable company’s advertising arm, it would be entirely plausible that this data comes from the hardware they give customers which is completely customized for their needs. If they were using phone apps, for example, we’d see people asking why the Cox cable app is using their iPhone’s microphone.

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acdha 2y ago

The number of people buying Apple devices for privacy suggests that quite a few people do not trust them, and while the rumors have flown around for years they’ve never been confirmed. That’s a contrast with, say, smart TV content recognition so it seems unlikely that Android phones are secretly monitoring what you say without anyone noticing the data being transmitted or the battery drain.

elcritch 2y ago
> so it seems unlikely that Android phones are secretly monitoring what you say without anyone noticing the data being transmitted or the battery drain. Ah! So that’s why Androids always have bigger batteries than iPhones. ;)
- acdha 2y ago
  I get the joke but it actually works the other way: since Android devices had a 2-5 year lag behind Apple for CPU performance it would be harder to hide some hypothetical always-on analysis, especially on the cheaper and slower devices where most of the global growth had been.

sroussey 2y ago

The conspiracy theories of phones listening is not true. TVs absolutely do that however, and it’s the first thing to disable in settings for a smart tv. I even block the TV from internet since I use an Apple TV for the streaming.

LorenDB 2y ago
I used to agree with you, but unfortunately the conspiracy is true (or at least was at one point): https://www.pcworld.com/article/2450052/do-smartphones-listen-to-everything-new-evidence-speaks-in-favour.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2450052/do-smartphones-liste...
- acdha 2y ago
  The source of that article is very clear that the device types are not known: https://www.404media.co/heres-the-pitch-deck-for-active-listening-ad-targeting/ https://www.404media.co/heres-the-pitch-deck-for-active-list... Given that this a slide deck for a cable company’s advertising arm, it would be entirely plausible that this data comes from the hardware they give customers which is completely customized for their needs. If they were using phone apps, for example, we’d see people asking why the Cox cable app is using their iPhone’s microphone.